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Furkids....
Aiyo~ok nah ok nah...dun go cry....{cry}dun cry dun cry... Daphne n everyone tat u hv critises wil forgive u... Dun cry ady..enuf..dun cry.... V r not brainless n rude ppl lk u...dun cry~~~ Awww~cheer up,ang mo kid... Although u r a mean person v stil wouldnt wan u2cry.... I never c a big bully cry b4~til nw~ |
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Hi Everyone
please do not keep saying that spca has no $$$$$. if the truth can ever be told and it will, i don't wish to have u eat your words. wait, wait wait! yours truly is very, very busy now. got to look after 200 rescued animals (plse don't try to find out where we keep them 'cos u'll never know. for their safety,we move them around all the time). then, we got to run a petshop to try to make enough to feed them the best and got told that we are 'out of our mind' to feed rescued animals food like orijen by orijen salesperson. then, we got to teach to supplement the insufficient funds from the petshop. then, too, we got to help people catch stray animals and other rescuers. these are reasons that make us angry with spca, paws. why are we not turning to all these supposedly animal welfare organisations? i've tried taking small kittens to spca before and the first word the person uttered when she saw the small fella is pd (certainly not port dickson!). why? for the stupid reason that the fella needed to be fed every few hours and they don't have the manpower to do it. we save, save, save. spca, paws - pd, pd, pd.(certainly not short form for PAID) rescuers don't wish to send rescued animals to spca and paws knowing that it's a death sentence and possibly, hell on earth. $$$ to feed these rescued animals comes from our pockets. sometimes, we have to live from hand to mouth ourselves but we cannot compromise the animal welfare. spca gets the funds (big fat ones!) and what do they do with it? euthanasia chemicals......wait to read more (ur ears will burn - not from the chemicals). it's big bullshit to say that spca has not enough funds. it's never enough. fundraising after fundraising, sponsors after sponsors, jumble sales, calendar sales, what else....u name it and in the name of money it's been done? JUST IN MY AREA ALONE, DO U KNOW HOW MANY PRIVATE RESCUERS THERE ARE WHO GET HOUNDED BY NEIGHBOURS, THREATS, COMPLAINTS TO AUTHORITIES AND WHAT NOTS? Come visit us if u want to see the true situation. furkids, thanks for the kind words. very honestly, i'm a very reluctant rescuer but my greatest failing is that i can't stand to see suffering among animals and children. that is why, i keep rescuing and will keep on doing so. the only unpleasant thing in this 'business of rescuing' is to see other people getting the funds while we (private rescuers) have to struggle to make ends meet. but one thing is for sure, i believe in retribution. those who use money meant for animals for other purposes will get their 'reward' in due time. maybe, may have to use money for their own medical bills or their loved ones. i'm absolutely sure that i'm not the only one feeling the pinch. *************************** BTW, does anyone know or has heard anything about a lawsuit between spca and an independent rescuer? of course, it's about money (what else, with spca?) very, very interested to hear the details. if anyone knows, please fill us in, otherwise...have to wait. of course, i can go on and on bitching about spca but the pen is mightier than the sword. let's wait. |
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Guys,
Let's not get personal on this issue, ok? You're free to express your own viewpoints, but do not downgrade the discussion into any personal insults or sarcasm. Each of you have your own valid points, and will probably never fully agree with the other. Even if you disagree, do not belittle the other person or the suggestions as that would only result in retaliation. Just politely disagree and tell your points. So, let's move back on to the actual discussion. |
Letter from an Animal Shelter Manager - the sad truth
Way u go bro !!!!{good}
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I'm just first time here would like to volunteer to those innocent but who noe there are ppl still "ANTI" it. I do volunteer is not only for SPCA but is for all the animals that are innocent.. Thanks Andy {good} |
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ruth,
i don't think the issue here is pro-spca or anti-spca. but i can see there are some high emotions where spca is concerned. and ruth, i have personally experienced what u have experienced below. and i was very, very angry & dis-illusioned, too, when i found out that the helpless young kittens that i had rescued from garbage dumps, cleaned off the fire-ants from their bodies were put to sleep because they required feeding every 2 hours. but i think our energy & emotion is better reserved for doing what we can, in whatever manner we can (be it time or money), to the best of our ability, to help these strays instead of using it up to bash spca, for i believe that if each of us were to do our own little part, it does make a world of difference to these animals. {victory}{victory} and i know of one particular individual animal rescuer out there who even wanted to sell her bungalow in titiwangsa (don't know if it's sold yet) so that she could have more disposable cash to help these strays. she is a great lady! Quote:
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Dear All,
Let me just interrupt everyone here with some of what i think.... Before going on further.. Let me just introduce myself.... I'm just a pain in the ass for most people because i tend to be very very straight and blunt with my postings... Let it be here or pp.com.. I'm in my late 20's and I'm neither in the top management level nor am i considered the technicians... My knowledge in technical issues sometimes scares the shit out of me... And my knowledge in animal related items are so-so... Now back to what I wanted to say.... Furkids I've actually brought out not only SPCA HK but also many other SPCA's works in pp.com... And guess what... SPCA actually sent me an email to let me know and also reason with me.. However, like you and a few other forummers here, I do not agree with quite alot of things that was brought to my attention.. However, I choose to keep my big mouth shut about it... Until now.. I was quite fortunate to be able to come across some videoclips in Youtube regarding NANAS in Johor... And the one and only question that keeps playing in my mind is... Why can NENAS do it but not SPCA??? I was thought by my colleagues from Europe that Logic is the easiest way to solve a problem.... and by using logic... I cannot understand why SPCA do not think using Logic.... Everyone here will ask me why am I so hostile towards SPCA and not PAWS or other NGO's... My answer is simple... SPCA = Society of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Their job is to think of ways to prevent cruelty to animals for gd dmn mthfking goodness sake... Don't give all the Bullshit and crap... Their new website is up for a month or so already.. But almost everywhere i click... It is still under construction or with all sorts of excuses. Points that i have used to state my case of hostility towards SPCA. 1. As i have pointed out above, SPCA literally means Society of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. 2. EDUCATION should not be restricted to only the younger generation. EVERYONE should be included in their forums or seminars... ESPECIALLY NON ANIMAL LOVERS! 3. Every single cent paid to SPCA can be Tax EXEMPTED. Unless SPCA would defer it. 4. I have NEVER seen anything in the media or forums about Awareness campaigns by SPCA. All i see and hear is dog adoption program and sale~sale~sale this sale that sale... 5. All talk but no action... Send a petition... Then sit sit and sit... These 5 points are thought of carefully by myself... And to elaborate why i have thought of these 5 items... Point #1 EVERYWHERE is the same... Let it be in Asia or in the West... Do you think that the great wall of China was built in a day?? or Rome? or even the ancient Piramids? Everything needs time... But should no one take the initiative to start it... Nothing will ever happen... Since there are a group of people that has adopted the organization SPCA, then they are the ones that should do it... If not, why use SPCA? Ask the SPCA in US or Europe or any other countries, is it easy for them during their starting stages? None will dare to say it it easy.. It is so because there are not only alot of red-tape, but they will also face the problems of having politicians that are not animal lovers... For me, if you want to be SPCA, then live up its name... Dont just use it because it is glamorous... Point #2 I have mentioned many many and countless times.... EDUCATION or Awareness Campaigns should not be done for animal lovers or youngsters only... The main target should be non-animal lovers and also parents... Why teach a child not to kick a dog when the parents does that? Or why teach the youngsters to be compassionate and in the end of the day, when they use their pocket money to buy food for strays, their parents say that they are stupid and wasting money? Think think and think again... who should we educate? Point #3 As far as i understand, money paid to schools, Institute of higher learning, and any welfare bodies can be tax exempted. This is a fact... Therefore, if effort was put in by the people to go round explaining about it to big companies and organizations where they pay hundreds of thousands of ringgit for tax, I am sure some of them would understand that instead of paying tax, they can use the money to help other beings... Point #4 I am looking it from the point of view from a non animal lover... How would i know the existence of SPCA and what they do when nothing is made known to the public? As i have pointed in Point #3, they can go to the mass media and not only does SPCA do not need to pay for any advertisement, I'm sure the mass media would gain by doing the advertisement and in the end of the day, get tax redemption. Point #5 If it needs such long of a time to lobby for a petition... do something about it... If I'm not mistaken, there are alot of educated and top managerial people who are in SPCA... Dont tell me they cannot think? Seriously, anyone can say what they want about how i feel towards SPCA... But until the time comes when SPCA has gained my trust... I would say my feelings of hostility will never cease. I rest my case. |
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The highlighted statement - are u saying that our spca and paws do that? very frankly, it's a bit far-fetched. do u mean that u hope they will do that? no offence meant. as far as i know, from my customers, spca 'fai si' entertain calls when they call to make complaints about stray animals, let alone do what u say. 'easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye' than for spca and paws to do what u said. |
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i'm a very versatile person...'bashing' spca and rescuing animals both i can do without compromising on quality.{grin} may i correct you, don't mean to sound arrogant, but i'm not anti-spca. if spca is doing their what the society is set up to do, then the animal situation shouldn't worsen. but the truth of the matter is things are getting from bad to worse. take the recent dbkl cruelty case. should it have happened? spca is in the midst of it all and the spca rep. there dare to deny knowledge of it. isn't that ridiculous? furkids is right. i may seem to be anti-spca - but why? if spca is doing what it's supposed to do, does the lady in titiwangsa need to sell her bungalow? i know of someone who uses FD of rm30,000 for the strays. should that be necessary? there shouldn't be so many private rescuers (using their own money) if spca is effective. on the other hand, spca is collecting so much funds, for what???? there should be accountability to the public as the funds used are public funds. to me, it appears that spca is redundant. other people are doing their jobs (financed by own pockets) but spca only acts as 'fundraisers'. if spca ceased to exist, i'm sure no one is affected at all - not rescue work, for sure. the only obvious effect is sponsors get to save their money and maybe put it to better use. whoever thinks that i'm out to bash spca right and left, please let me tell u that should spca show that animal welfare is their no. 1 concern, not NATO, then i'll definitely queue up to support them. maybe with the present people running spca, it's difficult. maybe, too, someone can tell me how often the committee changes. is it like some organisations - same old faces, year in year out; same old selfish policies, year in year out? anyway, i know it's pointless writing further abt issues like this in a forum, it's sure to be misconstrued......so i prefer my blog where i can honestly empty my thoughts. kudos to Malaysian Dogs Deserve Better and Wani and IPR and most of all to all noble self-financing rescuers who do it from the heart for the animals and not for self-glorification and publicity (except me who does it because of my great failing). |
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ruth, i'm not offended, not to worry. we are just sharing opinions and discussions, it's nothing personal, right? unless u want to make it personal.
i am pretty ambivalent about spca and am not blind to their faults. but it doesn't help to bash them up like this, because their funds will decline. when that happens, what spca is going to do, and pretty good at, is to KILL EVEN MORE animals in there. let's say, hypothetically, they kill 10 animals a day. now, when funds decline, they're going to up the ante and might even kill 100 animals a day. is the number far-fetched? we'll never know until funds decline. and it is for this reason, i keep saying it doesn't solve the problem by continuously bashing spca. instead, if anyone feels so strongly about spca's apathy, then he/she should do something concrete to turn things around. i believe in if there's a will there's a way. becos i really don't see what all this bashing will lead to other than spca becoming more unpopular and the animals in the shelter suffering as a result of this. again, let me repeat, i am not promoting spca. my ONLY CONCERN is what would happen to the existing animals in spca's care if the public shuns them and their funds decline. let's imagine for a second that spca ceases to exist:- 1) what will happen to the existing animals? how many can be fostered by the rescuers? they are already asking for help for those dogs that they rescued from the dbkl dog pound. 2) where will the irresponsible owners take their pets to when they no longer want them? i think it's safe to say they'll just throw them out onto the streets. for me, i think it'll be a lot worse if spca fails to exist, much as i abhor their kill policy. in case you're not aware, i've always taken the stand that all animals have a right to live alongside us, even on the streets. i am vehemently against the notion that they should be killed for whatever reason, unless they are in agonising pain and there is no cure in sight. {victory} as for the lady who's selling her bungalow in titiwangsa to support the strays, she is actually helping spca in a way. she fosters the animals from spca to stop them from being killed due to space constraints. and she wants to do even more. this is why she wanted to sell her bungalow, and she is happy and willing to do that. she is a great lady that we can all emulate. and there are about 10 dogs that she passed on to one of my hubby's cousin to keep in her house. spca gave my hubby's cousin a letter to say that those dogs are spca's and she's fostering them on their behalf until homes could be found for them. this letter comes in useful during raids by MPPJ, which has happened before as the dogs are noisy and the neighbours have lodged complaints with the MPPJ. every month, spca gave my hubby's cousin dog food to feed the dogs, and they built an "igloo" in her garden for the dogs to play with, with their funds because my hubby's cousin is like me, a housewife without income. Quote:
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OMG i been reading this since afternoon, i cant believe u ppl are still talking n talking n talking n still arguing here n there pointing fingers across the globe comparing here n there, typing a whole hundreds of patah perkataan like SPM/Final year project karangan and final report...this can go on n on like a hot headed makcik n another hot headed uncle yadda yadda yadda 4 eternity...i wonder what u ppl try to point out to what faults u trying to find? {scared}
wat have u done so far to fix the current situation? good if u have done something but if u have done nothing y type so much? {scared} its up to u want to do it or not or want to help or not? If dowan do or help dont do la, why crap so much? what are u trying to tell ppl?{ohmygod} For me if u wan help, juz help from the bottom of ur heart, honestly, dats all no need elaborate to each other what is right n wrong. i mean if u juz do a tiny bit, at least it came honestly from u rite?u tried ur best, no such thing as i wasted my time la, they are not worth to be help la wat la n so on{happy} what u wanna help? u wanna help SPCA/Paw/anything related or u wanna help/teman/play the animals while waiting to be adopted/put to sleep? Its seriously up to u which part/role u wanna play{happy} {good}It depends what u believe in and what u fight for{good} |
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What do you think about forumer here?
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Guys,
You have voiced your opinions on SPCA, and they have been heard by the rest of us. But, it now appears to be going well overboard and I see some people getting overly emotional with strong sentences attacking SPCA. It is always easy for you to criticize someone or some organization. Just like everyone who loves to complain about their jobs and bosses. BUT, put yourself into your boss' shoes, and you will see a whole different picture. There are many opposing forces, competing priorities, legal restraints and dozens of other issues to be considered when actions are to be taken, and red tape is bound to arise in organizations. I agree that there is definitely room for improvement in SPCA, just like any organization. However, I definitely do not agree with claims that SPCA is of no purpose at all. There is no denying of SPCA's contribution to the animals and our community - whether it is on rescuing animals, rehoming them, or educating people. If you claim that they are not doing any of these, then you are likely so strongly prejudiced against them that you are selecting NOT to read/remember/recall the things that they have achieved. I am not saying that they are at their maximum efficiency, but there is still a lot achieved. I know of a friend who emailed SPCA to report a pack of stray puppies discovered at a vacant house, and within 1 hour, received a call from SPCA for more information, and hours later, they have sent their van over to pick the puppies up. You might be able to give negative examples, but so can others give positive ones. Let's face it, there are thousands of strays everywhere and lots of calls for help, requests to surrender pets, investigations into abuse cases etc - do you think SPCA can efficiently respond to every single request and handle each case to your satisfaction? We are not even satisfied with the customer service of large corporations with hundreds of support staff, so there is an extent to how much SPCA can do with their limited resources. Both SPCA and Independent pet rescuers are absolutely crucial, because there are never enough resources for any party to single-handedly resolve the issues. In fact, all these parties should be working hand-in-hand with the same mission and helping each other to improve, instead of pointing fingers at others' faults and belittling them. What some of you are doing here is merely instilling dissatisfaction and hatred of SPCA among others, which I consider unacceptable. If this society fails to function properly, it is the animals that are going to suffer like what Blackie said, and the animal rescue, fostering, education, lobbying scenes would become even more chaotic. I want to emphasize this - give constructive criticisms, but do not criticize and belittle others just for the sake of creating a tense atmosphere, making yourself heard or whatever personal agenda. Always think of the consequences and the big picture, put yourself into their shoes, and if you genuinely think you can do better, then by all means, join their organization and make the improvements instead of giving empty criticisms. |
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well said andy {good}
by the way people, spca is desperately in need of fosterers. if you want them to reduce the number of animals euthanized one way to ensure this is to head over to the shelter right now and pick up some kittens and puppies for fostering. these young ones need to be fostered OUTSIDE the shelter as they are very young and their immune systems very weak. they will not last there. please go and pick up an animal to foster today. fostering saves the lives of many and spca does not have nearly enough fosterers. thanks!! |
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SPCA runs on public donations. For those who feels that SPCA is not doing the right thing, try setting up an animal shelter with 0 funds. Let's simulate this scenario :
1) You have 30 kennels to shelter strays or pets brought in (because you do not have money to build more or even the land space) 2) You only have 2 staff to run the centre (because you do not have money to hire more) 3) You can only give food which has been donated by the public or buy cheap kibbles and not those super premium ones because you need to feed the dogs at least twice a day (this is 30 dogs we are talking about) 4) You want to spay everything which comes through your door but each spaying cost RM150 each (estimated) 5) You receive 600 dogs a month while you get 10 adoptions a month 6) You try to sell all the items donated by the public hoping to generate some cash to buy essentials 7) You need to feed medication, vaccination etc etc to those healthy dogs before they are homed (all this costs money) 8) You open your shelter to the public 6 days a week but hardly anyone walks in because everybody wants "Pedigree!" and your dogs looks normal 9) You ponder whether you can still survive another week with the RM200 you have left to run the shelter. Hopefully some kind souls will come this week to donate. Now do the maths and add up all the costs. If you can do better on 0 funds, by all means start a shelter and stop criticising what others are doing. Volunteers to the SPCA sacrifice their time and energy with 0 pay to help out in whatever way they can. They don't print money. They have their own families to feed but every little contribution goes a long way. If you seriously want to help, start donating either time or money and adopt pets from SPCA. This will provide them with funds to continue doing their wonderful job. FYI my whole family happily visit the SPCA on weekends to play with the dogs and we make our monthly donations to help the facility. So there, I've said my 2 cents worth. Peace. |
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