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ashleywong 07-23-2008 06:07 PM

What sort of cat food to feed your cat/kitten?
 
Hi all

i'll try to keep this short (i've been known to go on and on on a subject i identify with...)

cats are obligatory carnivore - according to articles i read, this means a cat cannot synthesize certain essential amino acids it requires for its bodily functions from the grain protein/vegetable protein and carbohydrate the way man and dog can. therefore a cat will gain the most from eating meat protein instead of grain protein/cabohydrate.

what this means is - the type of ingredient you feed your cat is important, and even more important that you feed correctly from kitten stage as this will set the foundation for a good health for your feline friend.

so when you next reach for that bag of cat food on the shelf, don't look into your checkbook or handbag or wallet (although this will to some extent determines whether you have adequate money to pay up at the cashier counter), but look instead at the ingredient list.

things to avoid : grain-sourced protein such as corn, wheat, and other type of grains, gluten (one ingredient that commonly causes allergy reaction in animals as well as human beings), non-food-grade meat ingredients such as animal-by-product (which they don't list out ind etails) but generally by-product is feathers, beak, tail, offals (internal organs that we don't eat), blood, and entrails, etc, cheap stuff that can be "recycled" as pet food.

this is for store-bought commercially available food.

another no-no is do not feed human food to cats/kittens - especially if they're commercially prepared or processed as they contain lots of addictives and other chemicals that is no good to the feline health in the long run, especially the white salt content that's high.

if you choose not to use kibbles but instead feed food like fish, chicken breast, etc, please ensure that you give your feline companion a variety of meat supplemented with vitamins and essential minerals.

in their natural state, a feline's natural diet is varied, from raw meat to certain plants and herbs to aid in digestive function/elimnation function. the varied nature of the feline's intake in the natural world ensure the feline get his/her required nutritional intake for good bodily and brain function.

just feeding your cat/kitten a single type of food ,i.e. just fish, will not do.

incidentally, it is a myth that cat love fish and need only fish. my vet showed me a kitten, just about 5-6 months old, the kitten has fragile bones and a broken leg - because his owner fed him solely on fish and neglect to provide him with other essential vitamins and minerals. fish may be cheaper but the vet bill is higher!

feeding your feline companion good quality food made with appropriate ingredients will go a long way to ensure the good health of your feline companion and also will definitely ensure and guarantee a lower veterinary bill in the long run and be pocket/bank-account-friendly in the long run.

that, my friend, is my "two-cents" on cat food and proper nutrition.

comments requested and welcomed.

RoyBlue 07-23-2008 06:17 PM

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Awesome writeup, keep up the good work Ashley!!!

Ezer 07-24-2008 04:35 AM

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Wow Ashley, great article there! I am sure the cat owners out there will appreciate it mucho gracie!

ashleywong 07-24-2008 12:58 PM

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thanks for the bouquets...where are the brickbats? :-P

actually, my cats taught me this, at their own expense. i went through the whole cycle from supermarket generics (tesco, jusco, carrefour, giant, you named it, i've bought it), premium brands like purina, friskies, smarthearts, and others in like category, super premium brands like royal canin, sciencehill and other like brands in this categories, blackwood, back to basics, additions, orijen, natural balance and others super super premium in this category...you named it, my poor kittens had been tested on it.

the result - the article i wrote - taught to me by my own kittens.

i/'d also like to share my knowledge and experience with all cat owners otu there, especially newbies and greenhorns like me. this way, they'll have a better and smootehr start with their kittens. ;

i believe no person is born deliberate mean and evil. sometimes we act the way we do out of unintentional ignorance and lack of awareness (cos malaysia is not exactly known as a country of good animal rights track record and legislation unlike other western countries).

so if one person is given the correct knowledge and information and provided with correct and proper guidance, i'm sure this person will want to act in the best interest of the animal companion.

actually this article is the shortened version of the one i posted up at www.vet.com.my. my sis commented that my original article was like a grandma story so i just edited out lots of stuff, give all the punches here and make it 'short but sweet'.

hope this really helps new potential adopters out there to make a better and informed choice.

one last word (my famous line) - try not to be penny-wise but pound-foolish!

sorry for being so military about it but i belief it's my occupation that trained me like this... hahaha..

i'd like to listen to other people's experience too so i too can learn from them and make it better for my cats.

regards
ashley

Ezer 07-24-2008 05:32 PM

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Nothing beats personal experience.

Why don't you upload your pic as your avatar, give a face to this Kitty-Lover!

lynielime 07-25-2008 01:58 PM

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hello all
i've been feeding my cats and dogs ACANA and so far everything's great and everyone's healthy. it's wheat and gluten free, low in starch. another great thing about it is that it doesn't contain weird animal by-products.. only real meat that meets the standard for human consumption. i've only seen it in a couple of pet stores though..

ashleywong 07-25-2008 05:02 PM

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hi

acana is manufactured by championpetfoods - a company out in canada - the same people who manufactured orijen the brand i feed my cats.

yes, you're right, it's got all the right ingredients in the appropriate amount and you can really see that it works wonder with your pet's health. it showed up in their general health, the lovely state of their skin and fur, their alertness and energy level and even in their "poop" yes, i used cat's poop as an indicator of their health and whether they're eating the correct food and whether they're feeling okay or not.

acana has a lower meat content than orijen and it has rice as the source of cabohydrate besides oatmeal.

as for myself, i prefer orijen as although it has a higher meat content, the protein ratio is just nice and it doesn't contain rice as one of my cat doesn't react properly to rice and any grain content.

you're right again on another score - it's availability or lack of it. there's only a single distributor importing in acana and orijen and so far i've tracked down several places that really stocks up on orijen

1) pet epicure in tmn melawait
2) pets people in plaza damas, sri hartamas
3) home pet in sri petaling
4) tails unlimited in kajang or is it sg buloh
5) sea park pet supplies in pj ss2 - their stock should be in now
6) a pet shop in tmn danau desa okr - they're willing to order for you although they specialises only in dog food


pet wonderland in mdvalley also stocks up on acana however their supply of acana has an expiry date of aug 2008 when i last looked in march 2008. hopefully they have new stocks in by now.

i suspect one of the reason that supply is not easily available at all retailers is that there is lack of awareness about acana and orijen and the distributor doesn't really do any promotion, not even at pet exhibition. hence it is difficult for pet owners who wishes to feed their pet this brand.

by the way, if any of you is using acana/orijen, especially the largest bag of food and you notice that the food exudes an oily smell over time, that's due to the hot and humid weather over here in malaysia. just repack your pet food into airtight containers and store in the freezer of your refrigerator. what i do is those unused portion, i stored in cool and dark cupboard, and put the box that's currently in use in the fridge. it works to keep the food "cool" all the time.

lynielime have you noticed that your cats and dogs tend to eat less of each serving of acana? i was told by the folks at championpetfoods that this is because of the high quality protein in the kibbles, the pet will be able to satisfy its protein requirement in a smaller portion.

so, spending on good quality food may seemed "more expensive" an investment each time you buy a bag of food but in reality, you spend less cos you don't have to buy so often.

but this doesn't mean you have to ration the food to the poor pet in order to make it last - that's only last resort if the food is running out and you haven't managed to restock.

lynielime 07-25-2008 05:30 PM

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hi ashley!
yes i've noticed that they need smaller portions with acana. and you're right its coz of the high quality protein. its more efficient and wastes less.

feeding them lower grade food that creates its bulk by being high in grain is really just a total waste because they are unable to metabolize it properly.

i'm glad we agree on this!
lynette

ashleywong 07-27-2008 02:44 PM

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Hi lynielime

me too! great minds think alike!{shy}{wink}

sillylupie 08-08-2008 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lynielime (Post 1391)
hi ashley!
yes i've noticed that they need smaller portions with acana. and you're right its coz of the high quality protein. its more efficient and wastes less.

feeding them lower grade food that creates its bulk by being high in grain is really just a total waste because they are unable to metabolize it properly.

i'm glad we agree on this!
lynette

Hi Ashley,
Great write-up!
BTW, Bina here ....
:)

Lyn_Cat 08-16-2008 04:51 PM

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tumpang board...{wink}

juz nak tanye pendapat. is it ok if we continuous feed our cat with glucose?

sbb.. my Lulu got fever and send her to vet. so vet advice to give glucose water for her energy. so, i beli 1 tin glucose and now my Lulu getting better. boleh tak i continue to add glokusa in their water sbb byk lagi..baru guna sket. any effect tak..?

ashleywong 08-16-2008 07:37 PM

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oops, lyn_cat, i think that's a question that's more suitable for your vet to answer. i'm afraid what we know is based on our own experience with feeding about pets, observation, discussion and reading articles. however so far i've never had to feed my cats glucose.

sorry i can't help you.

best of luck though

illa79 08-18-2008 05:07 PM

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Hi all,

My cat is currently on blackwood. I ,just like ashley have gone thru all sorts of cat food and so far I find blackwood is the best.I've seen an improvement in his fur as well as weight and appetite.

I tried Acana before,but my cat wont have any of it.Chicken breast didn't work too..so now he is mostly on kibbles with wet food treats once or twice a week.

Oh ya, I also feed him brewers' yeast and felovite (more like force feed for the latter..{shy})

p/s,
Ashley..great write-up..very well written..{good}

Bareen 08-22-2008 02:16 PM

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All my cat feed on RC Persian Kitten 32. A kilo pack would only last for 2 days for my 8 cats. Since the price had increased, changing to cheaper brand is the last option I would take. As I am staying in an apartment and liiterbox management is top priority else odour will take control! In addition to RC. I feed them with blended whole chicken meal - soft neck bone, skin, liver, heart, breast. With RM10 of chicken neck plus 2 pieces of backbone, that would blend into a week supply of homemade wet food which is similar to that Friskies kitten can food. My cat poo is very minimal and doesnt smell much. Since I am using DIY paperbase cat litter, with hard poo, they really compliment each other.

Cant find Blackwood in Kuching at the moment but had request the Petshop here to get in the stock{happy}

happycat 08-27-2008 11:01 AM

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Hey guy, seem like you guy are feeding your cat expensive cat food. For me, I have 5 stray cats and have been feeding them misha cat at RM9.30 for 1.7kg. It is quite good value. All my 5 cats have very nice coat and very active. quite happy with Misha cat food.

ashleywong 08-27-2008 03:44 PM

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hi happycat

it's good that you have found a brand that suits your cats' tastes and your budget as well.

there may be some misconception on this particular thread.

hope all of us can see beyond the RM and $$$ sign. the important point is to ensure proper, balanced, correct and adequate food nutrition for our furkids.

whether stray or store-bought or expensive pedigree cats, what is important is that we feed them the correct food that is suited and demand by their physiology.

it would seem as if we're all 'advocating' expensive food but look again - we're all relying on commercially prepared food (instead of catching rats and mice and what nots "fresh" for our furkids). we all know that most business are in business for profits. therefore it behove us to ensure that although we opt for the convenience of commercially prepared and store-bought brand we are not forgetting and forgoing a good health as foundation to good quality life via adequate and correct food for our furkids.

we don't mean to advocate certain or any brands here - it's just that there only limited selection of brands cat available in malaysia and the monopoly is by those that process and manufacture in bulk and able to derive economy in scale from their mass production and these are those who invest heavily in packaging and advertisements and promotions. this in turn help them to provide the products at "cheaper" and more attractive "costs" to retailer who in turn pass them on to us consummers - very good arrangement - but think again...are they responsible as a company to ensure that the ingredient they put into the product are what they themselves would unreservedly feed their own pets or even eat themselves?

if you lo
as for locally manufactured brands, with due respect to their effort and entrepreneurship, my bone of contention is that there is lack of legislation, whether authority or self, and lack of enforcement may results in pet food that may not be on par with internationally accepted standards.

also it may surprise you that all our furkids were indeed "STRAY" cats/kittens (or better known as "DSH"/"DLH"/"DMD") whom we accepted into home and hearts as beloved family companions {victory}

hope this help clarifies.

the aim of petfinder.my and the articles produced here by the forumers (who are true-blue animal lovers) are meant to educate and raise awareness about the love and respect for animals, and their rights to a life with quality healthcare, food and emotion fulfilment whether they are our pets or not, and also about being responsible pet ownership, and also to encourage people to think and disagree civilly. {victory}

syunichi 08-27-2008 10:45 PM

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I'm also on a hunt for a good budget food because I cant afford high premium food for all my 17 cats, later I'm gonna end up as a stray. Hehe..anyways, got a problem with my vetmaster I bought 2 days ago. Just 2 hours ago wasting my time filtering all my 10kg vetmaster from pantry bugs. And how in the world they got in there? Usually it will take them a week to develop..but I got them just in 2 days? Man, I'll send a complain to my vet shop tomorrow. Anyways, still gonna hunt for more better cat food for my cats. If someone deserved to be love, it's them. They did not chose to live in the streets begging to be long for, as dirty as they were, as skinny as they look. They are just another living creature worthy of companionship :)

ashleywong 08-28-2008 10:45 AM

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hi syunichi

wow! i salute you ! 17 cat! wow! and here i think my 4 furkids are giving me absolute headaches when they become possesive of me and my attention. wow!

what is vetmaster? is that some kind of petfood or pet supplement? can you tell me more about it?

i'm not unmindful of the cost of some "premium" brand. I have already went a longtime without buying anything for myself as i can only choose their food and vet care or clothes and stuff for myself. as i've not found a better or equivalent alternative at lower price, i'm still sticking the food i'm feeding them.

happycat 08-28-2008 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by syunichi (Post 6869)
I'm also on a hunt for a good budget food because I cant afford high premium food for all my 17 cats, later I'm gonna end up as a stray. Hehe..anyways, got a problem with my vetmaster I bought 2 days ago. Just 2 hours ago wasting my time filtering all my 10kg vetmaster from pantry bugs. And how in the world they got in there? Usually it will take them a week to develop..but I got them just in 2 days? Man, I'll send a complain to my vet shop tomorrow. Anyways, still gonna hunt for more better cat food for my cats. If someone deserved to be love, it's them. They did not chose to live in the streets begging to be long for, as dirty as they were, as skinny as they look. They are just another living creature worthy of companionship :)

Hi Syunichi, you and i have the same problem, the budget for our cat food. Give misha cat food a try. it give good value and it is RM9.30 for 1.7kg from speedmart 99.

syunichi 08-28-2008 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ashleywong (Post 6947)
hi syunichi

wow! i salute you ! 17 cat! wow! and here i think my 4 furkids are giving me absolute headaches when they become possesive of me and my attention. wow!

what is vetmaster? is that some kind of petfood or pet supplement? can you tell me more about it?

i'm not unmindful of the cost of some "premium" brand. I have already went a longtime without buying anything for myself as i can only choose their food and vet care or clothes and stuff for myself. as i've not found a better or equivalent alternative at lower price, i'm still sticking the food i'm feeding them.

Hi ashley, well I was on Iams and with wonders 1kg 2 days oredi gone {sweat} and it wasnt cheap hehe. So I resolved to Vetmaster. It was recommended from my vet that it is way better than frieskis and whiskas that we knowned as snacks for cat. It is labelled to have lower % of ash for more healthier urinate issue and substance called "yucca" to leave your cat stool less smelly. Thx happycat, I'll look for it coz I've saw it somewhere when I was looking for a new cat diet.

And vetmaster cost me RM75 for 10kg..good enough for me hehe. Thank god :)

filinlee 09-05-2008 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by syunichi (Post 7082)
Hi ashley, well I was on Iams and with wonders 1kg 2 days oredi gone {sweat} and it wasnt cheap hehe. So I resolved to Vetmaster. It was recommended from my vet that it is way better than frieskis and whiskas that we knowned as snacks for cat. It is labelled to have lower % of ash for more healthier urinate issue and substance called "yucca" to leave your cat stool less smelly. Thx happycat, I'll look for it coz I've saw it somewhere when I was looking for a new cat diet.

And vetmaster cost me RM75 for 10kg..good enough for me hehe. Thank god :)

zam..mana ko beli vetmaster tuh.?? kat semenanjung ada x?

ashleywong 09-09-2008 09:33 AM

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hi

where is this vetmaster? i've never heard of it i.e. never seen in the usual pet supplies shop ...do you have a pic and does it have a manufacturer's website?

ashleywong 09-09-2008 09:41 AM

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Hi ALL

i'll just continue here as it has to do with food for kitten :

If you suspect your cat of having IBS or if it has been confirmed, you may want to try a new allergy formula meant for cats with either allergies or sensitive stomach.

it's by natural balance, duck and green pea allergy formula. it's just been brought into our country. i've been tracking this manufacturer and has corresponded with them several times and it's finally here. you may not find it in the usual pet supplies shops as it's been here only like two weeks or so. you may contact the distributor in kl Sea park pet supplies (get the add and contact number from the PJ pet shops thread). dry biscuits.

i find it effective for my little anna. we long suspected that she has sensitive stomach to most of the ingredients found in other commercial brands and we have been observing her since she was a kitten. it took us like a year and a half (her age now) to come to this conclusion and although it wasn't supported by medical tests (very hard), i did my own "tests" and changed the food one by one, looking at the ingredient before i bought.

i've arrived at "the" cat food to give to my other three cats because they are doing extremely well on them (so did all other stray cats i rescued) but anna is different...she has what i called ibs (like myself) and when i gave her this formula, she went back to normal, she started eating again and she started putting on weight and she stopped alternating between constipation and diarrhea. we have ruled out all medical possiblities, went through tests (blood tests) short of having scans.

DJSNAZ83 09-11-2008 02:57 PM

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i agree with ashleywong...
i've heard so many times before that Orijen is one of the best premium food for cat...i've been to Pet Wonderland few weeks back.i noticed that Orijen is available there - with little stocks...and i think that i can't have Orijen to my kittens due to hard to get it...haih...{sick}
as well as many forumers here,i feed my kittens with RC Kitten 36 plus RC Skin n Coat plus Kytzime as their supplement...in addition,i provide Hill'S Science Plan wetfood to them weekly.

fariza 09-12-2008 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ashleywong (Post 1388)
you're right again on another score - it's availability or lack of it. there's only a single distributor importing in acana and orijen and so far i've tracked down several places that really stocks up on orijen

1) pet epicure in tmn melawait
2) pets people in plaza damas, sri hartamas
3) home pet in sri petaling
4) tails unlimited in kajang or is it sg buloh
5) sea park pet supplies in pj ss2 - their stock should be in now
6) a pet shop in tmn danau desa okr - they're willing to order for you although they specialises only in dog food

Hi ashley!
Do you know who's the distributor for acana/orijen in Malaysia? i've checked their website but it's not stated there...

fariza 09-12-2008 10:48 AM

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i've used vetmaster before and it is quite good. I got it from a vet/pet shop in shah alam but it has been repackaged...i think they bought it straight from the factory or something so they can sell it for a cheaper price...

syunichi 09-12-2008 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by filinlee (Post 8547)
zam..mana ko beli vetmaster tuh.?? kat semenanjung ada x?

Uih sori sori..bz kat ofis kebelakangan ni. Ade kat Semenanjung,local made premium food tu. Subsidiery of Cargill USA. Nanti balik I'll take a picture of the food and label and post here. :) Yeah, my cats love it and it is colorless so I'm quite confident with it. {high} ..nopeee..not going to eat it heheh.

filinlee 09-12-2008 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fariza (Post 9657)
i've used vetmaster before and it is quite good. I got it from a vet/pet shop in shah alam but it has been repackaged...i think they bought it straight from the factory or something so they can sell it for a cheaper price...

fariza..vet/petshop kat ner tuh? tau x pricing dia???for how many kgs?

Bareen 09-12-2008 03:22 PM

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My personal tip how I check the suitability of my cat food.

1) Eat and taste the cat food yourself {oh} If you like it, your cat probably will too but if salty, you can snack on it while watching movie and dont share it with your cats.

2) Soak a kibble in a glass of water. Does the kibble and the water change color? If yes, coloring may have been added.

3) Take out the soaked kibble and mash it with your finger. Does it feel like your facial scrup? If yes, the kibble is filled with grain. If the mash kibble felt sticky, then it filled with gluten.

4) You had examine what goes in, now examine what come out{shy}

5) Drop some poo into clean toilet bowl. Dont flush. After a while, is there any coloring discharged from the poo?

6) Does the poo floating? Indigested hairball and grain sometime made the poo lighter and float.

7) Wanna mash your cat poo with your finger to find out if it got the sandy feel? Probably not {nah} then dont! Kibble filled with grain will cause the poo to be soft and smelly.

8) Feed you cat with boil chicken (no salt added) and compare the quantity and the odor of the poo. Probably with chicken, you get longer gap for repeat business with less amount, less smell.

9) Raw meat diet is superb but make sure you get your vet advise on deworming frequency as worm tend to thrive in raw meat. Still need to monitor poo for worms. Tapeworm are resilience to normal deworming liquid.

10) Cats are individual. No 2 cat are the same. One food may be good to one cat but may not to others.

The above tips applies to my 8 cats with no reservation. Apply at own risk.

Lyn_Cat 09-12-2008 03:27 PM

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Ada sesaper pernah jumpa@ cuba Topcat? sbb ade dgr2 dr other forum maknan nih bagus jugak .. dok cari2 dlm internet nih takde plak.. kalo boleh nak tgk ingredientnya..

Lagi 1 ade sesapa penah cuma Iams yg baru tu tak? sbb tgk kat petshop Iams baru tu ade tambahan Iomega..dulu takde.. kalo dulu lin bg kucing mkn Iams ni bulu gugur..so maybe dgn ada Iomega nih tak gugur dah...tataolah...

ashleywong 09-12-2008 04:39 PM

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Bareen

I like your suggestions, i like your guts! {muacks} way to go !

do you know what? i've actually done and completed the items as per your suggestions although not at the same time, done at different time and for different reasons, all except for (1) and (7) but the collected experience and observation really convinced me that the proper food is the only way to go forward - also helped by reduced vet bill and good health of furkids!


but jokes aside, i like what you have written. i hope this makes people sit up and think further, instead of just substituting ignorance for reason. {grin}

Bareen 09-12-2008 05:28 PM

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Eating and tasting the kibble actually was suggested by Horatio during the catshow. He said that what he did when he got new brand of cat food. Few years back, my sister in law mistaken cat's canned food as sandwich filling as I rip off the can label, said it taste good with bread before she knew it was cat food {shy}.

Checking on the poo poo, I would said that a routine that all of us do. The only thing that is the way we react to it. Some people would wear mask, some would just scoop and beg it. Once that is a routine, no reason to feel yucky about it. We all are very concern what goes into our furkids body but we choose to ignore the tell tale sign their system eliminated from their body. Learn by observation, then we can find out what best food for our cats. Changing from brand to brand will just cause stress to the cat's digestive system.

Acana was said to be Canada best cat food but my cat vomit after eating it. So I stay with RC Persian Kitten 32 and boil blended chicken.

BUT for soon to be mother, leave this poo poo task to the man!
Mrs Mondok feed, Mr Mondok dispose.{oh}
Mrs Mondok feed, Mr Mondok dispose.{sick}
Mrs Mondok feed, Mr Mondok dispose.{cry2}

fariza 09-12-2008 05:31 PM

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pet shop tu dekat all those rows of shops next to stadium shah alam & giant..its the same row with 7-11...cant seem 2 remember the name of the shop tho..i think 20kg is about $130++..havent been there for a long time...so the price might've gone up

Bareen 09-12-2008 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyn_Cat (Post 9708)
Ada sesaper pernah jumpa@ cuba Topcat? sbb ade dgr2 dr other forum maknan nih bagus jugak .. dok cari2 dlm internet nih takde plak.. kalo boleh nak tgk ingredientnya..

Lagi 1 ade sesapa penah cuma Iams yg baru tu tak? sbb tgk kat petshop Iams baru tu ade tambahan Iomega..dulu takde.. kalo dulu lin bg kucing mkn Iams ni bulu gugur..so maybe dgn ada Iomega nih tak gugur dah...tataolah...

Lyn,
Orang kata, jangan percaya. Sendiri cuba, baru merasa.
Asal ada brand baru, cuba kat kucing. Jenuh lah perut kucing tu nak adjust ngan makanan baru tiap kali tukar.

syunichi 09-13-2008 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bareen (Post 9705)
My personal tip how I check the suitability of my cat food.

1) Eat and taste the cat food yourself {oh} If you like it, your cat probably will too but if salty, you can snack on it while watching movie and dont share it with your cats.

2) Soak a kibble in a glass of water. Does the kibble and the water change color? If yes, coloring may have been added.

3) Take out the soaked kibble and mash it with your finger. Does it feel like your facial scrup? If yes, the kibble is filled with grain. If the mash kibble felt sticky, then it filled with gluten.

4) You had examine what goes in, now examine what come out{shy}

5) Drop some poo into clean toilet bowl. Dont flush. After a while, is there any coloring discharged from the poo?

6) Does the poo floating? Indigested hairball and grain sometime made the poo lighter and float.

7) Wanna mash your cat poo with your finger to find out if it got the sandy feel? Probably not {nah} then dont! Kibble filled with grain will cause the poo to be soft and smelly.

8) Feed you cat with boil chicken (no salt added) and compare the quantity and the odor of the poo. Probably with chicken, you get longer gap for repeat business with less amount, less smell.

9) Raw meat diet is superb but make sure you get your vet advise on deworming frequency as worm tend to thrive in raw meat. Still need to monitor poo for worms. Tapeworm are resilience to normal deworming liquid.

10) Cats are individual. No 2 cat are the same. One food may be good to one cat but may not to others.

The above tips applies to my 8 cats with no reservation. Apply at own risk.


Thx bareen. Yes, I've reconsidered all these issue + the budget to comply with their needs. I like the part where we throw a poo to see it floats hehe. For sure I've tested for coloring with vetmaster and it is not added with any coloring or any sort, plus, the new repackaging is another way of saying they had double check on the contents for any improper presence of pantry bugs. {good}

And this is what it looks like...

adamyala 09-19-2008 07:25 AM

Re: What sort of cat food to feed your cat/kitten?
 
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Originally Posted by ashleywong (Post 6947)
hi syunichi

wow! i salute you ! 17 cat! wow! and here i think my 4 furkids are giving me absolute headaches when they become possesive of me and my attention. wow!

what is vetmaster? is that some kind of petfood or pet supplement? can you tell me more about it?

i'm not unmindful of the cost of some "premium" brand. I have already went a longtime without buying anything for myself as i can only choose their food and vet care or clothes and stuff for myself. as i've not found a better or equivalent alternative at lower price, i'm still sticking the food i'm feeding them.

Hi Ashley, I have 2 cats at the moment. I feed Adam,yaya and ella (now deceased) Royal Canin. Adam have indigestion problem, which I detected from his 'runny poop'. I guess his over indulging his food caused his diarrea. I took him to the vet several times but the vet told me he is perfectly healthy. Now he is at the vet again, because I pity him, he poops 6-7 times a day and still runny!!!. Yesterday the vet called and told me he is healthy, active and alert and there is nothing wrong with him.

He is a mess, I have to bathe him everyday to clean his mess, especially at 'the immediate area'.

Should I change : his diet, or my vet??

ashleywong 09-19-2008 09:36 AM

Re: What sort of cat food to feed your cat/kitten?
 
Hi adamyala

i sympathise with your predicament. it's very messy and problematic.

IF your vet has checked your cat thoroughly (and i presume you have had blood test taken to ensure all is order) and say your cat is healthy, then perhaps you need to look at the diet.

would you have any objection to trying your cat on allergy formula ?

my anna went through a lot and alternate between lack of appetite and became very skinny (but very active and alert) and also alternate between diarrhea and constipation (something like IBS in us human). we went through blood tests (basic ones) and constant vet visit and the vet pronounced her "healthy" and "normal" cos there's no medical sign for her condition, none that can be detected. we are of course concerned and i tried many food and she refused to eat after the 1st time. the 1st time she would eat heartily and hungrily but not after that.

after much observation and reading, i decided to try whether she's actually allergy to the ingredients in her cat food - specially grain/carbohydrate (i.e. wheat, oat, rice, potato and what nots). i tracked down an allergy formula that's only from duck meat and green pea. prior to feeding her this, i read the list of ingredients and checked with my vet if any of it will cause problems. once confirmed the ingredients are safe for cat, i bought a pack and started anna on it. in between she was subsiting on steam chicken meat or fish (this is not advisable for long run cos it doesn't contain complete essential nutrient needed by cat). during this time i have no choice but to supplement with multivitamins (i use pet natural by vermont).

anna is halfway through the 3kg bag (the only size available right now) and she has put on muscle bulk, takes to her food with delight (a major change compared to last time), is regular in her bowel movement (normal stool size texture and colour), no more IBS.

my sis and i are happy that she's okay. we'd continue with the allergy formula.

hope this helps. you're not the only going through this. i suspect most of us go through this but either didn't know what to do or choose to think it's "normal".

i used to give anna RC but she constantly have very soft stool and at one point, she just refused to eat.

now i learn from my cat, if they refused to eat and i have rule out other factors (medical, behavioural such as stress-related or stress-induced or just wanna play or is full), if they don't want the food no matter how hungry, then it's because something in the food is making the cat feel unwell and the cat then learns to associate the food with unwell feeling and unpleasantness

pls let me know if you wish to know further about this allergy formula

good luck

adamyala 09-19-2008 10:03 AM

Re: What sort of cat food to feed your cat/kitten?
 
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Originally Posted by ashleywong (Post 11049)
Hi adamyala

i sympathise with your predicament. it's very messy and problematic.

IF your vet has checked your cat thoroughly (and i presume you have had blood test taken to ensure all is order) and say your cat is healthy, then perhaps you need to look at the diet.

would you have any objection to trying your cat on allergy formula ?

my anna went through a lot and alternate between lack of appetite and became very skinny (but very active and alert) and also alternate between diarrhea and constipation (something like IBS in us human). we went through blood tests (basic ones) and constant vet visit and the vet pronounced her "healthy" and "normal" cos there's no medical sign for her condition, none that can be detected. we are of course concerned and i tried many food and she refused to eat after the 1st time. the 1st time she would eat heartily and hungrily but not after that.

after much observation and reading, i decided to try whether she's actually allergy to the ingredients in her cat food - specially grain/carbohydrate (i.e. wheat, oat, rice, potato and what nots). i tracked down an allergy formula that's only from duck meat and green pea. prior to feeding her this, i read the list of ingredients and checked with my vet if any of it will cause problems. once confirmed the ingredients are safe for cat, i bought a pack and started anna on it. in between she was subsiting on steam chicken meat or fish (this is not advisable for long run cos it doesn't contain complete essential nutrient needed by cat). during this time i have no choice but to supplement with multivitamins (i use pet natural by vermont).

anna is halfway through the 3kg bag (the only size available right now) and she has put on muscle bulk, takes to her food with delight (a major change compared to last time), is regular in her bowel movement (normal stool size texture and colour), no more IBS.

my sis and i are happy that she's okay. we'd continue with the allergy formula.

hope this helps. you're not the only going through this. i suspect most of us go through this but either didn't know what to do or choose to think it's "normal".

i used to give anna RC but she constantly have very soft stool and at one point, she just refused to eat.

now i learn from my cat, if they refused to eat and i have rule out other factors (medical, behavioural such as stress-related or stress-induced or just wanna play or is full), if they don't want the food no matter how hungry, then it's because something in the food is making the cat feel unwell and the cat then learns to associate the food with unwell feeling and unpleasantness

pls let me know if you wish to know further about this allergy formula

good luck

Yes..ashley...adam's condition is really messy and problematic, but the most important thing is...I pity him. Even if he doesnt look sick, I pity him having this problem. Imagine, we, human also when we get stomach upset for one or two days, very uncomfortable feeling right? Adam has been having this problem for months....

Since you have solved quite a similar problem with your Anna, I wish to know about this allegry formula you mentioned above. Maybe Adam is allergic to certain ingredients but I dont know what is it.

I admire your love and sacrifice for your Anna, and you took the initiative to get to the root of her problem, and now you have succeeded. I am sure now Anna is very happy, living a more comfortable life. Anna is very lucky to have you. Congratulations!!!!

ashleywong 09-20-2008 07:04 PM

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Hi adamyala

oh, i'm embarassed already. pls don't call it a sacrifice. it is not actually. i just feel strongly that our cats (or other pets) deserved to have a good healthy life with lots of love and care that's possible through proper food (includind appropriate ingredient) and good veterinary care. the initial cost may seem high but trust me, over long run, the cost is lower because your 1) vet bill is lower 2) you are less worried 3) your pet is healthy 4) both of you have a quality time together (2 - 4 are priceless - you can't put a price on this).

here's the information which i extracted from www.naturalbalanceinc.com


Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance® L.I.D. Limited Ingredient Diets™ Green Pea & Duck Dry Food is our New Grain-Free Formula made specifically for cats and kittens prone to allergies based on a single source of animal protein that most cats have not been exposed to, and a single source of carbohydrate not commonly found in cat foods, along with effective natural ingredients to help rebuild your cat's immune system. Complete and Balanced for All Life Stages, from Kittens through Adulthood.

Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance® L.I.D. Limited Ingredient Diets™ Green Pea & Duck Formula for Cats is a proven formula for cats and kittens with allergies based on our unique single source protein and single source carbohydrate blend.

Some cats and even kittens may be highly sensitive to commonly used proteins, carbohydrates and food additives in their diet. Allergic reactions can lead to irritable bowel, upset stomach, and a number of skin problems. Natural Balance® has created L.I.D.Limited Ingredient Diets™ Green Pea & Duck Formula for cats with these food allergies. Along with our L.I.D.Limited Ingredient Diets™ Duck & Green Pea Canned Formula, cats with allergies can now have a complete allergen-free diet!

Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance® L.I.D. Limited Ingredient Diets™ Green Pea & Duck Formula for Cats is made with:

• Green Peas: A premium quality carbohydrate, rich in potassium and a highly digestible energy source

• Fresh Duck: A premium quality protein source not commonly used in pet foods

• Taurine Fortified Natural Balance® adds additional taurine to help in maintaining normal heart function and retinal structure (good vision)

• Canola Oil Low in saturated fat and high in monounsaturated fat. Excellent Omega-3 and Omega-6 fatty acid profile

• Flaxseed An excellent source of Omega-3 fatty acids

• High Digestibility

• Grain Free

INGREDIENT LISTING

Peas, Duck Meal, Duck, Canola Oil, Flaxseed, Natural Flavor, Methionine, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Natural Mixed Tocopherols), Zinc Proteinate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Potassium Iodide, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Manganous Oxide, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Folic Acid.
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
Crude Protein 30.0% minimum
Crude Fat 12.0% minimum
Crude Fiber 4.0% maximum
Moisture 10.0% maximum
Magnesium 0.1% maximum
Taurine 0.16% minimum
Omega-3 Fatty Acids* 0.4% minimum
Omega-6 Fatty Acids* 2.6% minimum
*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile.

Dick Van Patten’s Natural Balance® L.I.D. Limited Ingredient Diets™ Green Pea & Duck Formula is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO cat food nutrient profiles for all life stages.

Natural Balance® L.I.D.™ Green Pea Duck Formula for Cats comes in 3 lb, 5 lb and 10 lb Bags
PRODUCT INFORMATION


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right now only the 3lb bag is imported into malaysia. i'm buying this for my anna. it's is indeed heartening to see her blooming everyday.

pls go to the website for more information. :-)

best of luck {happy}

adamyala 09-20-2008 09:53 PM

Re: What sort of cat food to feed your cat/kitten?
 
Thank you so much Ashley...for sharing the infos .
I will definitely try this product, and will get back to you for updates on adam's condition.{happy}

Yes....every pet deserves the best health care , proper diet and nutrition and above all, our love, hugs and kisses through out their lives. We may have to spend a little bit more for problems like adam, but money cant buy the joy and happines adam and anna could bring to our families.

Thanks for the best wishes, I really need that.


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