Flea problem [1 month old kitten] Please help!

[Forrester]

Neems, no, the diarrhea could simply be due to the food change and stress (most often is the cause with newly adopted/fostered kittens). A lot of milk are also unagreeable with tiny kittens. The cat and kitten's digestive system is very delicate. Please try the RC Babycat alone for 1-2 weeks - my kittens have done very, very well on it. Initially my tiny kittens had diarrhea too and they splattered all over the top layer of the thickly newspaper-lined cage floor but I continually removed the top soiled layer, leaving a new clean lower layer beneath every time - saves you a lot of time on cleaning, not to mention the pong of the poorly digested poo.

[neems]

Thank for the advice. I know all about what you've said, and I've tried all that. Mo Mo still refuses to eat anything. All he wants is milk, and if he doesn't get it he won't eat anything. He'll just keep sucking on his paw or my hands.

My sister brought him to the vet this morning, and the vet said that Mo Mo has worms, and the diarrhea is caused by the milk he drinks. She too suggested Royal C, but I've tried it before, and Mo Mo still won't eat.

I'm really confused now, how can I get him to eat? I've tried different kinds of food. Right now it's hills and Royal C. He still won't eat. The milk I give him is Animalac Plus.

[blackie007]

neems,

I'm not sure if this will help, but it might be worth a try if you haven't already tried it.

Grind or pound the RC kibbles into powder, and mix it with some of the animalac plus milk. Mix it into a paste, like those bottled baby food, and scoop bits of it onto your finger, and let Mo Mo lick it off your finger. Hopefully he might grow to like the taste. Good luck!

[farahnm]

Neems,

When my Bobo got diarrhea last time, I fed him with boiled breast chicken. I gave my best to ensure it is fat free, by removing all skin and fat, and then I took only breast part. The meat will be boiled till the water turned pinkish. Do not overcooked. Cat is carnivore by default and for sure it will eat and can digest meat better. That time my Bobo was around 2 months old. Like Mo Mo,he refuse to eat anything, but suprisingly he love boiled chicken so much and ate alot. His poo turned solid again and the color turned to dark choc (almost black) after few days took only boiled chicken. I learned this from this forum as well.

One more thing I learned from this forum is, when my cat having stomach upset,never feed him with fat/grain based food. Like most kibbles, it contained fibre which cat is carnivor by default cant digest it well. Better and will be good if you feed Momo with boiled soft breast chicken till the stool become solid as usual.

Just my 2 cents

[neems]

Originally Posted by blackie007

neems,

I'm not sure if this will help, but it might be worth a try if you haven't already tried it.

Grind or pound the RC kibbles into powder, and mix it with some of the animalac plus milk. Mix it into a paste, like those bottled baby food, and scoop bits of it onto your finger, and let Mo Mo lick it off your finger. Hopefully he might grow to like the taste. Good luck!

Thanks, I did that before. He won't eat unless I use a syringe. I have to force feed him sometimes. But now he's doing a little better, starts eating from a bowl, but still too little. He'll always come running back to me, and Moki ends up finishing up his food.

Moki, on the other hand, eats a lot, sometimes I'm not sure when to stop him. His stomach is bloated up. When we brought him to the vet, it's worms. It's only been 3 days since he's got his second de-worming, and Moki's stomach is still bloated. Never thought kittens would be so hard to take care of.

Thanks again for the advice.

Originally Posted by farahnm

Neems,

When my Bobo got diarrhea last time, I fed him with boiled breast chicken. I gave my best to ensure it is fat free, by removing all skin and fat, and then I took only breast part. The meat will be boiled till the water turned pinkish. Do not overcooked. Cat is carnivore by default and for sure it will eat and can digest meat better. That time my Bobo was around 2 months old. Like Mo Mo,he refuse to eat anything, but suprisingly he love boiled chicken so much and ate alot. His poo turned solid again and the color turned to dark choc (almost black) after few days took only boiled chicken. I learned this from this forum as well.

One more thing I learned from this forum is, when my cat having stomach upset,never feed him with fat/grain based food. Like most kibbles, it contained fibre which cat is carnivor by default cant digest it well. Better and will be good if you feed Momo with boiled soft breast chicken till the stool become solid as usual.

Just my 2 cents

Thank you Farah. I will take your advice and start boiling chicken.
Is it just boneless chicken breasts boiled in water? With nothing else?

[Forrester]

Originally Posted by neems

... Never thought kittens would be so hard to take care of. ?

No, they are easy if you know how. If you don't know, anything can be hard.

Originally Posted by neems

... Thank you Farah. I will take your advice and start boiling chicken.
Is it just boneless chicken breasts boiled in water? With nothing else?

Boneless chicken breast meat lightly steamed or lightly boiled in very little water (which will become sweet and concentrated stock) which will can be given to the little one to drink as broth or mixed in little by little with the mashed chicken meat. Do not overcook the meat as this will make the meat dry, tough and tasteless (less palatable, and cats, especially MoMo, are very finicky eaters). It should be cooked rare, like the way you cook your steak rare with the meat pinkish in color and lot of sweet meat juice still in the meat.

Also, Neem, try to do away with the poor quality Animalac milk and go for the better quality Milkodog which cost a little more if you still want to give milk to very small rescued kittens in future. I never give milk, just slightly warm mashed RC Babycat or the high-stress Hill's A/D mashed with a little warm water in a small 1ml syringe for quickies. My vet gives a lot of Hill's A/D in a syringe to tiny rescued orphans because it is quick and convenient.

Do not give any more milk to MoMo because it will definitely make his diarrhea worse.

[neems]

Originally Posted by Forrester

No, they are easy if you know how. If you don't know, anything can be hard.

Harder than I thought it would be. But I love being a mum to them, and I'm learning, which is great.

Originally Posted by Forrester

Boneless chicken breast meat lightly steamed or lightly boiled in very little water (which will become sweet and concentrated stock) which will can be given to the little one to drink as broth or mixed in little by little with the mashed chicken meat. Do not overcook the meat as this will make the meat dry, tough and tasteless (less palatable, and cats, especially MoMo, are very finicky eaters). It should be cooked rare, like the way you cook your steak rare with the meat pinkish in color and lot of sweet meat juice still in the meat.

Also, Neem, try to do away with the poor quality Animalac milk and go for the better quality Milkodog which cost a little more if you still want to give milk to very small rescued kittens in future. I never give milk, just slightly warm mashed RC Babycat or the high-stress Hill's A/D mashed with a little warm water in a small 1ml syringe for quickies. My vet gives a lot of Hill's A/D in a syringe to tiny rescued orphans because it is quick and convenient.

Do not give any more milk to MoMo because it will definitely make his diarrhea worse.

Thanks for the tips. Going to buy some chicken today.

Where can I buy Milkodog? How much is it? The only one the vet had was Animalac plus.

BTW, Do you know what causes a kitten to get a bloated stomach? Moki has a bloated stomach and I have de-wormed him twice. But his stomach is still bloated. I'm worried because his body is so small, it's the stomach that stands out.

[Forrester]

Originally Posted by neems

Harder than I thought it would be. But I love being a mum to them, and I'm learning, which is great. .

Hahaaa! Never mind, love makes the world go round ... love is a powerful motivator .... hahahhahaaaa!!! Keep it up!

Originally Posted by neems

Where can I buy Milkodog? How much is it? The only one the vet had was Animalac plus.

The vets which service better clientele will carry the more expensive and better quality products because these better informed customers will pay for such products. As for pet shops, not many but SEA PARK PET SUPPLIES in SS2 and their branch in Sunway Damansara sells it.

Originally Posted by neems

BTW, Do you know what causes a kitten to get a bloated stomach? Moki has a bloated stomach and I have de-wormed him twice. But his stomach is still bloated. I'm worried because his body is so small, it's the stomach that stands out.

It takes a little while for the stomach size to go down after deworming. But if he eats like a little piggie like you described (hehehheeee!!! gobbling up other's ration), he ought to look like a little piggie doesn't he? But seriously, it will be good for you to ask a good and committed vet. How long ago did you pick him up and when did you deworm him and how long ago? Neem, deworming agents are also poison, like the flea products, so do follow instructions very carefully, ya?

[neems]

Originally Posted by Forrester

Hahaaa! Never mind, love makes the world go round ... love is a powerful motivator .... hahahhahaaaa!!! Keep it up!

True! hehe, thanks.

The vets which service better clientele will carry the more expensive and better quality products because these better informed customers will pay for such products. As for pet shops, not many but SEA PARK PET SUPPLIES in SS2 and their branch in Sunway Damansara sells it.

Where is SS2? And, Sunway Damansara that's really far from where I live! Is there anyway I can buy online? Animalac Plus is finished now, and Mo Mo needs it, atleast 5 times a week. [Or he won't eat] I need to get another one. Since you said it's not good, I'm going to have to look for another.

Originally Posted by Forrester

It takes a little while for the stomach size to go down after deworming. But if he eats like a little piggie like you described (hehehheeee!!! gobbling up other's ration), he ought to look like a little piggie doesn't he? But seriously, it will be good for you to ask a good and committed vet. How long ago did you pick him up and when did you deworm him and how long ago? Neem, deworming agents are also poison, like the flea products, so do follow instructions very carefully, ya?

He does eat a lot, yes. But He's not fat, it's just the stomach. Everywhere else is pretty small. I went to the vet about 3 times already. The first 2 times I went to a new vet. The third time, I went to my regular vet, [A much better one] and I told her that the kittens has been de-wormed, but she told me to bring them in every 2 weeks for de-worming.

Mo Mo is starting to eat now, which is very good. But he still wants milk every now and then. No more diarrhea.

Moki is OK, eats well, active, but he's wheezing now. I don't know if that's bad. It's like grunts, and weird but he coughs sometimes. He makes sounds like a pig would do. I read somewhere that it could be flu. Should I bring him back to the vet?

Thanks again for your help, very much appreciated.

[Forrester]

Well, Neem, I do not know where you stay but what you can do is to flip the Yellow pages, go to Pet Shops/Pet Supplies section as well as Vets section, pick up the phone and call to find out who sells Milkodog nearest to you and how much.

p.s. And better to let a vet take a looki at Moki because young kittens like Moki and MoMo are very vulnerable. Let them eat as much as they want and can, especially the steamed chicken breast meat because poor eaters stand a very poor chance of surviving diseases and illness ... from my experience, only the gluttons manage to survive.

All the best, have a nice weekend!

[neems]

Originally Posted by Forrester

p.s. And better to let a vet take a looki at Moki because young kittens like Moki and MoMo are very vulnerable. Let them eat as much as they want and can, especially the steamed chicken breast meat because poor eaters stand a very poor chance of surviving diseases and illness ... from my experience, only the gluttons manage to survive.

All the best, have a nice weekend!

Hi again!

Well I took them to the vet yesterday, they are both doing fine. Vet told me that Moki is fat! [You were right] and I might be over feeding him. He also has Ear-mites in one ear.

As for Mo Mo, he's doing OK. But I see that he's getting thin after I stopped feeding him with the syringe. He does eat on his own but not much. The vet also told me that he doesn't need milk anymore. I'm a little confused because Mo Mo won't stop sucking my hands, the floor, his bed, his food, etc. I might feed him milk again. Poor thing, I feel so bad not feeding him milk.

Thanks again for all your help.

[Forrester]

If you are feeding MoMo milk through the syringe, that means MoMo is not consuming milk voluntarily on his own. If you MUST use the syringe to force feed, I strongly suggest you do so using mashed RC Babycat instead of milk. RC Babycat supplies better and much more nutrition to MoMo than milk at his age.

It is obvious that MoMo is sucking everywhere because he is very, very hungry. He is thin (you say) and the poor little boy is in fact starving! He is sucking because the way he eats is still like a very young kitten, sucking up fluid food. That is why I suggested that you experiment and find the correct consistency of mashed, moist RC Babycat for him. Feeding him the food using syringe will get him used to the taste and he will soon suck and lap it off the small plate byall by himself.

If MoMo does not eat the RC Babycat real soon, he is definitely going to fall behind and soon succumb to ill health. From my experience, thin and poor eaters die very fast, that is why good eating is my top priority.

You are lucky that MoMo wants to eat very much (all the empty sucking) and you have to really capitalise on this fast because if he doesn't get healthy, he is going to lose his appetite and the desire to eat very fast and then there is nothing you can do for him.

[neems]

Originally Posted by Forrester

If you are feeding MoMo milk through the syringe, that means MoMo is not consuming milk voluntarily on his own.

He is consuming milk voluntarily on his own. He vigorously sucks all the milk out of the syringe and desperately clings on it. He does not do this with RC baby cat food.

Originally Posted by Forrester

If you MUST use the syringe to force feed, I strongly suggest you do so using mashed RC Babycat instead of milk. RC Babycat supplies better and much more nutrition to MoMo than milk at his age.

It is obvious that MoMo is sucking everywhere because he is very, very hungry. He is thin (you say) and the poor little boy is in fact starving! He is sucking because the way he eats is still like a very young kitten, sucking up fluid food. That is why I suggested that you experiment and find the correct consistency of mashed, moist RC Babycat for him. Feeding him the food using syringe will get him used to the taste and he will soon suck and lap it off the small plate byall by himself.

If MoMo does not eat the RC Babycat real soon, he is definitely going to fall behind and soon succumb to ill health. From my experience, thin and poor eaters die very fast, that is why good eating is my top priority.

You are lucky that MoMo wants to eat very much (all the empty sucking) and you have to really capitalise on this fast because if he doesn't get healthy, he is going to lose his appetite and the desire to eat very fast and then there is nothing you can do for him.

I do feed Mo Mo RC baby cat all the time with a syringe. He does not want to eat it. If it's milk with Hill's he will suck on the syringe and eat it. Sometimes he'll eat it from his bowl. But with RC he does not swallow, and it ends up all over his chin and neck, even if I force feed him. I'm slowly taking him off milk. The only food he seems to enjoy is hill's and anything with fish mixed with milk.

Mo Mo is not sickly thin, he's lost a little bit of weight and he is much taller now. If comparing to Moki yes he looks thin, because Moki is older. You can see Mo Mo's new pictures in his petfinder page. :)
This happened to Moki when he was first brought home. After a couple of weeks Moki gained weight on his own. Mo Mo is 1-2 weeks younger. The vet weighed him, he is about 600 grams. She said that is OK. And no he is not starving. I will not let this happen. I make sure he is fed by me or my sister [every 4-5 hours], and the sucking is maybe a habit, and he probably misses his mummy.

[Forrester]

Alright, finally you are describing it well and I get the picture.

When you mention Hill's is it the A/D? If MoMo will eat it, well, stock up on it and let him eat as much as he wants and as often as he will. Also, give him all the milkodog he wants to drink. After all, he is still very young and lactose intolerance only builds up after age of 6 months. Don't worry, spoil MoMo all he wants because he is still a tiny baby. Give him lots of A/D (not the other prescriptions) and lots of good quality milkodog.

You are a good cat mommy, Neem! Well done!

[neems]

Originally Posted by Forrester

Alright, finally you are describing it well and I get the picture.

When you mention Hill's is it the A/D? If MoMo will eat it, well, stock up on it and let him eat as much as he wants and as often as he will. Also, give him all the milkodog he wants to drink. After all, he is still very young and lactose intolerance only builds up after age of 6 months. Don't worry, spoil MoMo all he wants because he is still a tiny baby. Give him lots of A/D (not the other prescriptions) and lots of good quality milkodog.

You are a good cat mommy, Neem! Well done!

Yes, Hill's A/D.

Right now he's eating on his own! I'm so happy. I've changed the food to AvoDerm just today. They love it! I haven't been feeding them hills for a few days now couldn't find the time to go buy it, before shop closes. [Most of the food I buy online] MoMo does not consume milk like he use to. I'll give him a little bit mixed with Blackwood Kitten sometimes.

I see some difference now. You are right RC babycat is much better. I've tried Science-plan for kittens, and now they eat blackwood. Canned food Artemis, AvoDerm and boiled chicken. [Is this OK?] I stopped feeding them fancy feast.

Could you tell me what's the best food for kittens?