Bladder problem : Tanda2, Pencegahan, Rawatan

[prinz38i]

Hai Kawan2..

nampaknye bladder problem or masalah saluran kencing, batu adalah perkara yang sanggat common untuk kucing2 kita...

So mungking kita boleh start sharing langkah-langkah pencegahan seperti permakanan, minuman yang sesuai dan yang perlu di-elakkan, then tanda-tanda kucing yang akan menghidapi masalah tersebut dan langkah-langkah rawatan di peringkat awal dah peringkat 'lewat' yang perlu.

Untuk kawan-kawan yang berpengalaman, boleh lah share macam mana nak jaga kucing2 yang menghidapi masalah ini. Contohnya camane nak tolong diorang kencing ke, poo poo ke, makan, minum dah sebagainya.

[bbpie]

Originally Posted by prinz38i

Hai Kawan2..

nampaknye bladder problem or masalah saluran kencing, batu adalah perkara yang sanggat common untuk kucing2 kita...

So mungking kita boleh start sharing langkah-langkah pencegahan seperti permakanan, minuman yang sesuai dan yang perlu di-elakkan, then tanda-tanda kucing yang akan menghidapi masalah tersebut dan langkah-langkah rawatan di peringkat awal dah peringkat 'lewat' yang perlu.

Untuk kawan-kawan yang berpengalaman, boleh lah share macam mana nak jaga kucing2 yang menghidapi masalah ini. Contohnya camane nak tolong diorang kencing ke, poo poo ke, makan, minum dah sebagainya.

bladder prob...UTI ke? kalu UTI mmg my comel la...first time tu my mum marah2 dia, kencing merata2. so bb kinda pelik coz selalunye comel xder la kencing merata unless kalu mop letak merata tu mmg fav dia ler. so after my mum bising2 bb perati kan dia n true enuf..got prob. dia kencing kat floor bilik air, tapi xbyk..ciput. minutes later dia akan lari kuar plak, kencing lagi..gitu la. ade sekali i saw ade a streak of blood kat air kencing dia.

next day trus bawak pi vet la. so he asked me to get sample pee peepening weh! kurung dia xmo pee. she will hold it in, degil xdegil. last result i gave her d cup la suh dia pee sendiri lam tuh ingat lagi mase tuh xder wheels..ngan pee dia yg masih hangat2 lam henbag naik bus nak pi kasi kat vet. mende tu lak kene hot from d oven kate vet, i think dia nak sample not older dr 8 hours or something like that da lufer.

*jap gi la sambung ado koje lak

[prinz38i]

Originally Posted by bbpie

bladder prob...UTI ke? kalu UTI mmg my comel la...first time tu my mum marah2 dia, kencing merata2. so bb kinda pelik coz selalunye comel xder la kencing merata unless kalu mop letak merata tu mmg fav dia ler. so after my mum bising2 bb perati kan dia n true enuf..got prob. dia kencing kat floor bilik air, tapi xbyk..ciput. minutes later dia akan lari kuar plak, kencing lagi..gitu la. ade sekali i saw ade a streak of blood kat air kencing dia.

next day trus bawak pi vet la. so he asked me to get sample pee peepening weh! kurung dia xmo pee. she will hold it in, degil xdegil. last result i gave her d cup la suh dia pee sendiri lam tuh ingat lagi mase tuh xder wheels..ngan pee dia yg masih hangat2 lam henbag naik bus nak pi kasi kat vet. mende tu lak kene hot from d oven kate vet, i think dia nak sample not older dr 8 hours or something like that da lufer.

*jap gi la sambung ado koje lak

ic2... nak tunggu lg sambungan citer tu .. you bagi kucing you makan ape bbpie?

[bbpie]

Originally Posted by prinz38i

ic2... nak tunggu lg sambungan citer tu .. you bagi kucing you makan ape bbpie?

ok..sambung..hehehe

mase dia kene tuh mmg kene tuko diet. its kibbles from waltham, la ni da xder da kibble tu. i cant remember d name of it though. comel hates the sekut. tawar hebey kot, xder rase. so nak xnak i had to change everyone to use only that kibble, tanye doc he said can but d cost la. what to do kan, for a few months mmg poket ku kering.

yg bb pasan, with cats yg penah kene UTI nih mmg kene jaga makan sgt. yg lain cam biase ler..kene abiskan ubat dia n make sure its totally clear..antibiotik habiskan, not an easy feat with little comel i can tell u that! cam haku nak bunuh dia jek lagaknye bila nak kasi ubat..huhuhu doc gave me medication weekly, n end of every week i had to get fresh urine sample for him. sampai pandai lak dak comel pee in d cup

kalu xsilap, it took about 3-4 weeks jugak la for her to b clear completely. sorry bb xdapat nak share d results n medication given coz da lufer la..:)

after bb tgk dia da stabil, slowly bb try carik sekut yg will suit her. b4 kene sakit tu she was on SP. i switch to a few others like felidae (dia xmo makan), orijen (pun xmo), eagle pack (her prob started again). lastnye RC yg elok.

kekadang bila supply putus, n i forget belila friskies sementara nak tunggu gaji..sah2 kenot!

now allhamdulillah, i switch to BW...since she was on RC n now BW, so far have not had any ulangan of UTI with her. tapi she is old n fragile so bb kene sentiasa look out la for signs.

[prinz38i]

alhamdulillah anak bulus dah sehat sekarang.. mmg ramai vets cakap kene jaga makanan tuk elakkan terkena penyakit tu.. tp bila tanye, diorang tanak cakap brand ape yg elok and brand ape yg tak elok. Mungkin berkaitan ngan breed jugak kan...... so, bila pk2 balik baik tanye kat org2 yang berpengalaman menjaga kucing kat forum2 kucing nie... so lame2 kite bley laa sort out makanan ape yg bagus mungkin utk certain breed tak bagus... bley kite tingkatkan lg pencegaran anak2 bulus dari terkena penyakit ni....

bb punye kucing breed ape?

[adamyala]

Originally Posted by prinz38i

alhamdulillah anak bulus dah sehat sekarang.. mmg ramai vets cakap kene jaga makanan tuk elakkan terkena penyakit tu.. tp bila tanye, diorang tanak cakap brand ape yg elok and brand ape yg tak elok. Mungkin berkaitan ngan breed jugak kan...... so, bila pk2 balik baik tanye kat org2 yang berpengalaman menjaga kucing kat forum2 kucing nie... so lame2 kite bley laa sort out makanan ape yg bagus mungkin utk certain breed tak bagus... bley kite tingkatkan lg pencegaran anak2 bulus dari terkena penyakit ni....

bb punye kucing breed ape?

bb/prinz,
kak zai pun pernah ada kucen yang menderita sakit batu karang yang teruk. Start masa umur 2 tahun. Kucen jantan dah neutered tapi kene jugak. Sepanjang hayat dia menderita, kadang sakit kadg eluk. Tapi most of the time dia kurang aktif dan sentiasa kencing merata-rata. Kalau tgh teruk tu, masa nak kencing dia nanges2 mengiau-ngiau dan yang keluar hanya setitik dua kencing bercampur darah. Momot mati umur 13 tahun. Sampai skrg kalau teringat penderitaan momot kak zai keluar airmata. Masa tu kak zai study lagi mana ada duit nak gi vet selalu. Kasi makan catfood yang kak zai termampu aja . Tapi yang pasti, walaupun momot sakit, hidupnye dilimpahi kasih sayang.

skrg ni ada vet yang syorkan RC WALTHAM untuk elakkan dari sakit ni. Kucen jantan yang umur lebih 5 tahun patut diberi makan kibbles ni atau dicampur dgn premium kibbles yg lain, mcm RC, BW atau SP. Cuma ada jual kat vet sahaja.

[bbpie]

Originally Posted by prinz38i

alhamdulillah anak bulus dah sehat sekarang.. mmg ramai vets cakap kene jaga makanan tuk elakkan terkena penyakit tu.. tp bila tanye, diorang tanak cakap brand ape yg elok and brand ape yg tak elok. Mungkin berkaitan ngan breed jugak kan...... so, bila pk2 balik baik tanye kat org2 yang berpengalaman menjaga kucing kat forum2 kucing nie... so lame2 kite bley laa sort out makanan ape yg bagus mungkin utk certain breed tak bagus... bley kite tingkatkan lg pencegaran anak2 bulus dari terkena penyakit ni....

bb punye kucing breed ape?

aiyoo sayang..my cats seme cap kocing kg sajork..heheheh..all strays.

i dont really fancy kocing bulu panjang sbb bb xsuke tgk dorang kene kurung n xbebas. taw2 je la..kalu da cantik tuh..jap jek ilang..duk menung kat atas gate depan umah pun org buleh catnapped..kang aku juga yg berdosa menyumpah seranah org kan..

but tru la..with penyakit like this..food mmg kene jaga. vets pun kekadang bule rekemen jek xtentu gak sesuai. kene pada kite gak, carik yg sesuai satu hal..yg depa nak makan satu lagi hal!

[bbpie]

Originally Posted by adamyala

bb/prinz,
kak zai pun pernah ada kucen yang menderita sakit batu karang yang teruk. Start masa umur 2 tahun. Kucen jantan dah neutered tapi kene jugak. Sepanjang hayat dia menderita, kadang sakit kadg eluk. Tapi most of the time dia kurang aktif dan sentiasa kencing merata-rata. Kalau tgh teruk tu, masa nak kencing dia nanges2 mengiau-ngiau dan yang keluar hanya setitik dua kencing bercampur darah. Momot mati umur 13 tahun. Sampai skrg kalau teringat penderitaan momot kak zai keluar airmata. Masa tu kak zai study lagi mana ada duit nak gi vet selalu. Kasi makan catfood yang kak zai termampu aja . Tapi yang pasti, walaupun momot sakit, hidupnye dilimpahi kasih sayang.

skrg ni ada vet yang syorkan RC WALTHAM untuk elakkan dari sakit ni. Kucen jantan yang umur lebih 5 tahun patut diberi makan kibbles ni atau dicampur dgn premium kibbles yg lain, mcm RC, BW atau SP. Cuma ada jual kat vet sahaja.

oloh..sadis nye citer..tapi xper la sis, at least he was loved..13 thn tuu sekut comel dulu yg camtu la..but d blue on d bag was of darker kaler..really cant remember d name. mase tu kalu xsilap d vet told me that stop production sekijap coz of some takeover on d company ker hape. peliknye comel nih when she was with me mmg xpenah la makan other food, mmg premium la since start cume mungkin la history mase dia stray kecik2 kan..xtaw nak kate da nak kene kan. so far my boys r all ok, hopefully will stay that way, oldest pun da masuk 5yrs now.

my old girl dulu pun till 13 yrs..allhamdullilah xbyk ragam till she died. tapi tu la mati mengejut jugak xmo ingat ler..huhuhuh

[prinz38i]

alahai.. dah bape hari tak menyempat nak reply thread nie... haah kan bb... kucing kampung pun comel2... sy pun just bela kucing kampung gak.. sume pun strays... tp mmg laa jugak suka nak ada kucing bulu panjang nie...

tp bladder problem nie mmg menakutkan... skrg nie sy tgk foster seekor kucing yang ada masalah nie. last week amik kat vets coz current owner dah tanak jaga sbb die ada penyakit tu.. so sekarang alhamdulillah dah semakin bagus.. last weekend bawak tuk followup, vet cakap bladder dah ok... alhamdulillah... .. tapi still kene jaga makanan die. masalahnye die tanak makan makanan yg vet soh bg tu (SC s/d).. tatau kenapa, mungkin tak sedap kot sbb sure makanan 'berubat' kan... sume rasa sure kurang.. so terpaksa laa bg die SC a/d canned food... waaa kering laa poket ku....

So tuk bulus2 yg lain kat rumah tu, sy pun dah start prevention act. makanan diorang sy akan campurkan dengan air, utk memastikan diorang minum dengan secukupnya dan kalo boleh terlebih (asallkan tak kencing merata sudahlah)

so sekarang kite dah ada beberapa cadangan makanan berubat tuk pesakit2 ni :-

1. dr Kak zai - RC WALTHAM
2. dr Vet Med Centre - SC s/d

Langkah pencegahan yang disyorkan oleh vets:-
1. Bg minum air yang cukup
2. Campurkan makanan kering dengan air
3. Bg makan wet food low salt at least sekali seminggu

Ada juga sy baca kat internet, diorang soh bg makan wet food je.. tp mahal uols...... so bg sy yg poket kering nie takat campurkan makanan ngan air je laa...

so, kawan2 lain yang ada pengalaman atau tau mengenai pemakanan yang baik boleh lah share lg...

[FurKids]

Originally Posted by bbpie

kekadang bila supply putus, n i forget belila friskies sementara nak tunggu gaji..sah2 kenot!

BB, makanan jenis lower quality mcm Friskies dan Whiskas nie lah yg banyak membawa kepada masalah batu karang dan UTI ... ramai vet dah cakap dan ramai kawan-kawan kita punya dah kena ... dan kesian betul, kucing mengalami kesakitan yg teramat-amat sampai ke saat menghembus nafas akhirnya ...

Originally Posted by adamyala

... skrg ni ada vet yang syorkan RC WALTHAM untuk elakkan dari sakit ni. Kucen jantan yang umur lebih 5 tahun patut diberi makan kibbles ni atau dicampur dgn premium kibbles yg lain, mcm RC, BW atau SP. Cuma ada jual kat vet sahaja.

Tak juga, kawan ... makanan seumpama ini adalah jenis Veterinary Prescription Diet (di bawah kawalan vet kerana tak leh sebarang kasi kepada kucing yg tidak bermasalah) dan hanya digunakan utk kucing yg bermasalah Urinary (sistem kencing).

Sebab itu lah makanan jenis veterinary diet hanya dijual di klinik dan bukan di merata-rata tempat ... takut salah penggunaan yg akan membawa kepada bahaya dan masalah kesihatan kucing.

Diet ini, antara lain, mengubahkan pH kencing kucing supaya masalah nya cepat sembuh. Kalau kucing sihat diberi makanan ini, perubahan pH kencing daripada yg normal akan menjadi tidak normal dan akan menimbulkan masalah utk kucing yg sihat.

Amaran ini ada diberi dengan terang dalam buku "Cat Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook". Buku ni bagus sebab kalau vet kurang pandai/cekap yg bagi nasihat salah untuk kucing, kita boleh perasan sebab bercanggah dengan kandungan dalam buku ini!

[fffrrr]

Hi korang,

Just nak share experience dgn kucing yg kene bladder problem ni. I have had let me see...5 cats yg pernah terkena incontinence. Yg first tu a long time ago masa memula start bela kucing. Knowledge about food and nutrition tak seberapa plus masa tu sekolah menengah lagi so couldn't afford to buy anything for them. Kucing tu nama Tommy, male about 1-2 yrs old. Die sakit lama about 2 weeks kencing skit2 sampai perut die jadi besar. Bawak pergi JPH tak jalan and said kene bawak pegi UPM. Tak tahan tgk die menderita, hantar pegi UPM. That was the first time jejak kaki kat situ. Lepas duduk situ beberapa hari die dah ok. But vet warning jgn bagi makan cheap brands anymore cz mmg boleh kene FLUTD. Sejak tu tukar premium food and he never had the same problem again. Tapi umur tak panjang. He only lived till 4 yrs old and passed away at the hands of some other illness.

After kejadian itu, my mom changed food to this one petshop mix yg ada iams and some other brand yg kureng skit quality but bukan supermarket brand lah. Bila dah campur jadi mcm tgh2 lah in quality. Alhamdullilah all my cats takde that problem for years and years.

Then recently, in March nampak mcm quality kibbles tu sgt sgt tak menarik. Mcm nak kering kecut or something like that so I dah suspicious. Afterall, I wasn't sure pun apa yg petshop tu mix dalam tu other than a thai brand and iams. Kadang2 Aristo Cat tu-- but I don't think it's good. So dalam otak terus kata nak change food after this as rasa dah tak sesuai plus my cats semua dah tua2 blaka. Yg paling muda 8 yrs old. Sure enough, lepas bagi dieorg food yg mcm tak cantik tu THREE of my cats sakit bladder. Masa tu AAAAHHH...SAH makanan tu menjadi source to blame. All of them female. Bawak lah pegi vet and vet bagi anti-inflammatory, antibiotics and something called Nephrotec(supplement utk bladder)- which may I add is EXCELLENT. The vet said that it's likely inflammation of the bladder or bacterial infection cz betina. Alhamdullilah, after weeks of medication semua sembuh. And terus tukar food. I'm feeding them Vetmaster mixed with Acana now. The problem has not recurred since dah tukar food ni.

My advice is spend as much as you can afford for good quality food because kalau dah kene the vet bills lagi mahal frm buying good food. Plus you spare the cats from the pain. Mmg nampak in their eyes sgt sakit tak boleh nak urinate ni. Any bladder problem is VERY DANGEROUS to cats as I've experienced with my own cats. For example, one of my female cats had the problem on and off for several years. Usually lepas bagi antibiotics she would be ok but then akan dtg balik. Akhirnya, as the vet told me, it is believed that whatever caused her problem to x urinate tu (likely crystal and infection) caused an infection to her brain and skarang die dah jadi KKU- Kucing Kurang Upaya because die senget kepala to one side. Memula tu teruk jugak sampai she couldnt walk without stumbling but after this very caring UPM vet treated her, alhamdullilah she's doing fine now. Still senget but tak senget sgt and can walk and live like a normal cat. Dah setahun dah and so far mmg nampak sihat

Because dah byk kene mcm ni I also did research online and ada certain sites ckp yg vet recommended diets aren't necessarily good for cats with bladder issues because of kandungan carbs. So they nasihatkan tu provide food with a high percentage of protein and the right ph level.

Oh and I would also like to recommend a bladder supplement I bought at a petshop in Bangi. Sangat2 bagus. It's called Excel Bladder Care Paste. Tak mahal sgt just about rm 30 plus.

Sorry panjang lebar lak
Just wanted to share

[prinz38i]

waa.... Good sharing fffrrr...

nak tanye jugak pasal bladder suppliment tu... suppliment tu boleh bg kat mane2 kucing walaupun mereka takde masalah bladder ke? mungkin sebagai langkah berjaga2.. selain bg diorang suppliment vitamin2 yg lain.

[fffrrr]

yes boleh bagi kat all your cats as prevention. i pun bagi mcm tu supaya bladder dieorg semua cantik (walaupun tak nampak). takde masalah but kat package tu ada tulis 8 in 1 so die mcm multivitamins jugak but with emphasis on bladder care.

ive also seen another type dekat pet safari. but dont remember if its paste or pills. but that one is very expensive. RM60+++

[meira]

suplement tu dlm bentuk pill ke eh

[fffrrr]

yang i guna tu, Excel Bladder Care Paste. It's not pill form so it is easier to apply. Just letak kat hidung dia skit and dia akan jilat or just mix with wet/dry food.

[meira]

ade flavour eh.my cat yg sorang ni i bg paste for hairball.ade flavour tuna and she loves it so much.yg lain buat bodo je.

kt petshop bangi mane eh u bli.petshop pakcu eh?

[fffrrr]

it says "Tasty Malt Flavor" but my cats dont like ANY flavor for vitamins or supplements. but bila dah mix in food no prob, they don't notice it at all.

yup, i bought it at pakcu's shop. boleh mintak discount lagi =) give it a try lah, it's good.

[meira]

sure2..mmg i nk try.good for them kan.u mix it up with dry or wetfood eh?n then u gaul2 eh.

[fffrrr]

I mix it with wet food or ikan rebus. Letak kat hidung die pun boleh if die tak ganas. My cats would claw my eyes out if I tried that so susah nk buat. Because of that, I mix with food. I think also can try to mix with kibbles but tak pernah try cz kibbles punya food bowl for all the cats so kalau nak campur banyak pulak nak kene squeeze and then tak pasti who will eat how much.

[prinz38i]

Great!

Boleh dicuba nie. Baik lah spend RM30 tuk prevention dari spen more then RM300 tuk rawat bile diorang dah kene nnt kan... boleh la dapat gaji bln nie gi carik suppliment tu.. Thans fffrrr kalo ade lg pengalaman lain and kawan2 yang lain nak share, lg banyak pendapat lagi bagus.