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Old 12-18-2010, 01:27 AM
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Bahasa kontot?! You're right!
Good one...it's so funny.
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Wah! Terima kasih, Eve! Sekarang saya faham. I really could make no sense out of the original. Kucing saya ada ekor kontot. Itu bahasa kontot?

But you are absolutely correct -- if we can't understand the question, we can't offer any advice.
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Old 12-19-2010, 01:12 AM
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itula....skg ni mcm2 stail tulisan yg timbul....kebykkannya bdk remaja skg ni......diorg kte tren skg...klu xikut tren malu nk ber sms...sbb x ikut tren....haiii pelik la...taip la benda yg sng ni fahami....mgk dia je yg faham...tp org lain xfhm...cnthnye..... ORANG dipndekkan jadi OWG ..dulu dpt sms cmni blur gak dok fkr ape la ayat ni.....sepatutnye di pndekkan jd ORG...xla lari sgt dr prkataan asl....sbnrnye semua ni terjadi sbb trikut2 dr sms.....sbb dlm sms digalakkan dipendekkan tulisan.....sbb terhad nk taip....sbb tu bila nk taip sesuatu dlm internet terikut2....tp yg hairannye..bkn jd pendek....skg ni dh jd bertambah perkataan....NI jd NIEH....TAU jd TAW....mcm2 lg la...........dlm fb leh jmpe mcm gaya penulisan yg x diiktiraf.......
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itula....skg ni mcm2 stail tulisan yg timbul....kebykkannya bdk remaja skg ni......diorg kte tren skg...klu xikut tren malu nk ber sms...sbb x ikut tren....haiii pelik la...taip la benda yg sng ni fahami....mgk dia je yg faham...tp org lain xfhm...cnthnye..... ORANG dipndekkan jadi OWG ..dulu dpt sms cmni blur gak dok fkr ape la ayat ni.....sepatutnye di pndekkan jd ORG...xla lari sgt dr prkataan asl....sbnrnye semua ni terjadi sbb trikut2 dr sms.....sbb dlm sms digalakkan dipendekkan tulisan.....sbb terhad nk taip....sbb tu bila nk taip sesuatu dlm internet terikut2....tp yg hairannye..bkn jd pendek....skg ni dh jd bertambah perkataan....NI jd NIEH....TAU jd TAW....mcm2 lg la...........dlm fb leh jmpe mcm gaya penulisan yg x diiktiraf.......
haha awak pun tulis bahasa pendek-pendek ni
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Old 12-19-2010, 03:40 PM
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haha awak pun tulis bahasa pendek-pendek ni
i was about to say the same thing
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We just talked about Cyber-Dyslexia and Bahasa Kontot also Pandora's language in Avatar movie.


I agree in Andy's remark...I found it more easier to understand animals oftentimes.


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itula....skg ni mcm2 stail tulisan yg timbul....kebykkannya bdk remaja skg ni......diorg kte tren skg...klu xikut tren malu nk ber sms...sbb x ikut tren....haiii pelik la...taip la benda yg sng ni fahami....mgk dia je yg faham...tp org lain xfhm...cnthnye..... ORANG dipndekkan jadi OWG ..dulu dpt sms cmni blur gak dok fkr ape la ayat ni.....sepatutnye di pndekkan jd ORG...xla lari sgt dr prkataan asl....sbnrnye semua ni terjadi sbb trikut2 dr sms.....sbb dlm sms digalakkan dipendekkan tulisan.....sbb terhad nk taip....sbb tu bila nk taip sesuatu dlm internet terikut2....tp yg hairannye..bkn jd pendek....skg ni dh jd bertambah perkataan....NI jd NIEH....TAU jd TAW....mcm2 lg la...........dlm fb leh jmpe mcm gaya penulisan yg x diiktiraf.......
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haha awak pun tulis bahasa pendek-pendek ni
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Clement,

I think I find it much easier to understand and translate the dog barks and cat meows, than the writings of these people with cyber-dyslexia syndrome.
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Old 12-19-2010, 05:37 PM
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haha awak pun tulis bahasa pendek-pendek ni
sorry.... kalau ada sesiapa tak berapa faham tulisan pendek....rasanya saya tak lari sangat dari perkataan asal..........cuma dipendekkan.....contoh SY=SAYA...TAK=X....RS=RASA..
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Old 12-19-2010, 11:01 PM
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oyen_ku,

Terdapat juga orang-orang dari luar negara ingin membaca forum ni, mereka akan mempunyai masalah untuk memahami perkataan 'short-form' tradisi kita. He he...
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Sekadar ingin berkongsi satu artikel kelakar yang bagus tentang salahguna ejaan dari generasi muda sekarang ketika menulis, termasuk yang sering berlaku dalam Forum Petfinder ini.

Artikel keseluruhan boleh didapati di link di bawah:
http://anuox.blogspot.com/2010/12/or...rkelakuan.html

Contoh ayat yang diambil dari perbincangan
"Haha.. cian dk kcik nieh...cper la agk nyer erk y rkm nieh, ptot nyer pjok la dk kck nieh.. huhu.. rse nyer lp kete uh ley bckp lmer da cia mara dk kecik nieh.. huhu.."

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Hanye dua alasan yang boleh diterima kalau orang tulis macam ni. Satu, die menghidap dyslexia. Dua, beliau hanya ade satu jari untuk menaip, jadi kepantasan menaip menjadi kurang empat kali ganda (sebab purata manusia hanye gune 4 jari untuk menaip) maka beliau perlu mengoptimumkan penggunaan jari.

Aku mengambil masa seminit untuk betul-betul paham ape yang die tulis. Dan itu mendatangkan amarah, sebab manusia mencipta tulisan untuk memudahkan komunikasi, bukan menyusahkan. Bile kau tulis "dk kck", macam-macam perkataan yang tampil dalam kepala aku seperti duku kacak, daki kocek, duck kick, dick kecik, dok kecek (kelate), dekat kemuncak, duka kecelakaan dan sebagainya. Bagaimana neraka kah aku nak tau yang sebenarnye kau nak tulis "budak kecik"?

Dan sejak bile short form untuk "kalau" adelah "lo"?

Paling ironik sekali ialah bile kau sanggup tulis "rse" untuk "rasa" (ye la sebab bile buang satu "a", kau jimat 0.00000054 saat dan kalau kumpul-kumpul sepanjang hidup, boleh jadi 5 minit, banyak tu), tapi tibe-tibe kau boleh tulis "nieh" dan "nyer" sedangkan "ni" dan "nya" adelah lebih pendek, lebih tepat dan sangat-sangat socially acceptable. Takde orang akan cakap kau skema kalau kau tulis "budak ni" instead of "budak nieh".


Haha. Harap untuk sesiapa yang suka menggunakan shortform yang bukan-bukan selepas ini sila pertimbangkan tahap pemahaman orang lain ataupun orang akan menganggap anda DYSLEXIA ataupun kurang bilangan jari untuk menaip.
sokong...x paham langsung generasi skrg menulis..bile kite ckp x paham,ckp kite outdated..tp memang menyampah tengok budak2 sekarang menulis..sori..ter emo sudah..(harap maaf tuan penulis)..
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:24 AM
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Ini satu test untuk mereka yang masih mempertahankan 'Dyslexia-language' dalam PUBLIC discussion.

Contoh 1:
twz d bst of x, twz d wst of x

Contoh 2:
0.5a leag 0.5a leag
0.5a leag onwrd
All in T valy o Dth
Rd T 600
"^ T LB!
"Chrg 4T gns" he sd
In2 T valy o Dth
Rd T 600


Contoh 3
2 rds dvrgd ina wd & i, i took th 1 les travld by & tht hs mde al th difernc

Contoh 4
1 fing ws cr10, d wht k10 hd hd 0 2 do wivit:-twas d blk k10's flt ntrly

Contoh 5
4scr + 7a ugo r 4fthrs brt 4th on this cn10nt a nu nAshn cnCvd in lbRT + ddc8d 2 th prop tht (evRE1) r crE8d =


Contoh-contoh di atas adalah 'Dyslexia-Language' dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Kalau ada orang di sini rasa boleh faham apa yang setiap contoh sampaikan, baguslah... teruskanlah penggunaan 'Dyslexia-Language'.

Kita harus faham yang kita berbincang dengan pelbagai kaum di Forum Petfinder ini. Dan jika kita faham bahasa kita dalam shortform yang mengarut-ngarut ni, tak bermakna kaum lain juga faham.

Apa yang penting pada saya, kita kena hormat hak orang lain kerana setiap orang berhak untuk memahami setiap isi perbincangan di sini.. Menulis dalam bahasa yang mudah difahami oleh setiap orang memudahkan penyampaian isi. kerana itu tempat ini dinamakan 'PUBLIC FORUM'

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Old 12-20-2010, 11:37 AM
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Ini satu test untuk mereka yang masih mempertahankan 'Dyslexia-language' dalam PUBLIC discussion.

Contoh 1:
twz d bst of x, twz d wst of x

Contoh 2:
0.5a leag 0.5a leag
0.5a leag onwrd
All in T valy o Dth
Rd T 600
"^ T LB!
"Chrg 4T gns" he sd
In2 T valy o Dth
Rd T 600


Contoh 3
2 rds dvrgd ina wd & i, i took th 1 les travld by & tht hs mde al th difernc

Contoh 4
1 fing ws cr10, d wht k10 hd hd 0 2 do wivit:-twas d blk k10's flt ntrly

Contoh 5
4scr + 7a ugo r 4fthrs brt 4th on this cn10nt a nu nAshn cnCvd in lbRT + ddc8d 2 th prop tht (evRE1) r crE8d =


Contoh-contoh di atas adalah 'Dyslexia-Language' dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Kalau ada orang di sini rasa boleh faham apa yang setiap contoh sampaikan, baguslah... teruskanlah penggunaan 'Dyslexia-Language'.

Kita harus faham yang kita berbincang dengan pelbagai kaum di Forum Petfinder ini. Dan jika kita faham bahasa kita dalam shortform yang mengarut-ngarut ni, tak bermakna kaum lain juga faham.

Apa yang penting pada saya, kita kena hormat hak orang lain kerana setiap orang berhak untuk memahami setiap isi perbincangan di sini.. Menulis dalam bahasa yang mudah difahami oleh setiap orang memudahkan penyampaian isi. kerana itu tempat ini dinamakan 'PUBLIC FORUM'

thanks for info..............
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mar77 & azlana,

Maksud para admin dan maris_sa528 di thread ini tidak bermaksud begitu, terdapat juga ramai bangsa Cina, India dan bangsa lain yang yang tidak masak dengan cara menaip 'short-form' Bahasa Malaysia.

Perkataan yang sedikit ringkasnya juga akan membentuk kekeliruan di kalangan pembaca tidak mengira bangsa apa saja. Ia juga akan mengurangkan minat pembaca jika mereka mengalami masalah untuk memahami walaupun 2-3 perkataan yang pendek.

Just a friendly reminder like azmyrax & zackertashia.

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bleh short form...tpi agak2 ler...jganle smpai org susah nak fham...short form2 yg slalu dgunakan cntoh mcam yg sya tulis ni mgkin dah bnyak yg tahu..tpi klau short form mcam kat atas tu tbelit gak mata nak fham...hehehehe
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Dear Azlana,

Your post has been removed due to the violation of the following guidelines.

It contained one or more inappropriate language such as abbreviations (short form), sms language or colloquial language/dialects, which made it less readable to our multi-racial members, and is against our Forum Rules and Guidelines.

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Hi,

Although I can understand and write this but I use it with my friends who can understand not in Petfinder or other public forums even my friends in US dont post comments in my facebook because they know it will cause misunderstanding:

Contoh 1:
twz d bst of x, twz d wst of x

Means:
It was the 'British summer time' of kiss, it was the ' we are still friends' of kiss.
Maksudnya: Orang tu minta maaf dan di terima. Same meaning of popularly known, 'we kiss and make up'.

I agree with Marissa... tapi orang masih taipkan in short form walaupun dah banyak kali bagi amaran daripada PF admin especially Blackie 007. Topik ni pun dah jadi korban dari orang ada penyakit Dyslexia syndrome.

Macam mana kami nak tolong mereka kalau bukan semua boleh faham?

They should know this is not just Public forum where we meet people and pets.
It is mostly sharing on how to take care of our pets.

We do not know maybe got a member or a professional who have more better suggestion and knowledge.
Tapi orang tidak boleh membantu mereka sebab dia kena check pakar bahasa dulu dan sembuh daripada Dyslexia.
Dan orang pun buat comment sahaja. Orang tak baca dulu ke?
Penyakit ni boleh lah kat Twitter, k?
Tak payah susahkan semua orang disini.

Those who want a sincerely help will be sincerely given assistance bukan buat attention sahaja. Short form make themselves look good so someone can help them because they look cool.
Nampak desperate kadang-kadang not 'cool'.



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Ini satu test untuk mereka yang masih mempertahankan 'Dyslexia-language' dalam PUBLIC discussion.

Contoh 1:
twz d bst of x, twz d wst of x

Contoh 2:
0.5a leag 0.5a leag
0.5a leag onwrd
All in T valy o Dth
Rd T 600
"^ T LB!
"Chrg 4T gns" he sd
In2 T valy o Dth
Rd T 600


Contoh 3
2 rds dvrgd ina wd & i, i took th 1 les travld by & tht hs mde al th difernc

Contoh 4
1 fing ws cr10, d wht k10 hd hd 0 2 do wivit:-twas d blk k10's flt ntrly

Contoh 5
4scr + 7a ugo r 4fthrs brt 4th on this cn10nt a nu nAshn cnCvd in lbRT + ddc8d 2 th prop tht (evRE1) r crE8d =


Contoh-contoh di atas adalah 'Dyslexia-Language' dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Kalau ada orang di sini rasa boleh faham apa yang setiap contoh sampaikan, baguslah... teruskanlah penggunaan 'Dyslexia-Language'.

Kita harus faham yang kita berbincang dengan pelbagai kaum di Forum Petfinder ini. Dan jika kita faham bahasa kita dalam shortform yang mengarut-ngarut ni, tak bermakna kaum lain juga faham.

Apa yang penting pada saya, kita kena hormat hak orang lain kerana setiap orang berhak untuk memahami setiap isi perbincangan di sini.. Menulis dalam bahasa yang mudah difahami oleh setiap orang memudahkan penyampaian isi. kerana itu tempat ini dinamakan 'PUBLIC FORUM'

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another worthy point to think is that, with the use of webpage translator (i.e. Google translator where any languages apart from English will automatically be translated into English or vice versa - your choice), using bahasa pasar definitely inhibits the user to properly translate the page. This can cause more confusions. For example, please refer to the attachments below:

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Hi azmyrax,

Good example there! I'm sure that baboon is shocked.

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another worthy point to think is that, with the use of webpage translator (i.e. Google translator where any languages apart from English will automatically be translated into English or vice versa - your choice), using bahasa pasar definitely inhibits the user to properly translate the page. This can cause more confusions. For example, please refer to the attachments below:

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I would categorize those "terkejut beruk" as a local terminology and i believe in any languages these kind of terminology or words exist. Mat Salleh after translating it would probably refer to a malay and any malay would give a good definition of it.

The dyslexic language is something even us normal people can't understand,
and i have no clue of what twz d bst of x, twz d wst of x means. if i were to ask any decent English speaking person the meaning of it, I doubt I'll get a good answer/definition.

and these "Haha.. cian dk kcik nieh...cper la agk nyer erk y rkm nieh, ptot nyer pjok la dk kck nieh.. huhu.. rse nyer lp kete uh ley bckp lmer da cia mara dk kecik nieh.. huhu.." is the main topic we are talking about, yes?
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twz d bst of x, twz d wst of x


Maksud yang betulnya "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times..."

Kan susah cakap separuh ni... haha. oleh itu marilah kita sama2 tulis dengan ayat penuh. :p

Azmyrax, Translation tu adalah sangat mengharukan. hahaha. If orang putih baca, they must be very confuse where comes the baboon in the video. Haha.
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I would categorize those "terkejut beruk" as a local terminology and i believe in any languages these kind of terminology or words exist. Mat Salleh after translating it would probably refer to a malay and any malay would give a good definition of it.

The dyslexic language is something even us normal people can't understand,
and i have no clue of what twz d bst of x, twz d wst of x means. if i were to ask any decent English speaking person the meaning of it, I doubt I'll get a good answer/definition.

and these "Haha.. cian dk kcik nieh...cper la agk nyer erk y rkm nieh, ptot nyer pjok la dk kck nieh.. huhu.. rse nyer lp kete uh ley bckp lmer da cia mara dk kecik nieh.. huhu.." is the main topic we are talking about, yes?
I agree with you. In the same attachments, you can see words like 'smua', 'tp' and 'plak' are not properly translated because the instruction is not clear.

But hey, I feel like slapping those who write in dyslexic-language. Unfortunately, my favourite cousin (highschool kid) is one of them. Im soooooooo disappointed . Everytime she texted me, I feel so nauseated with the kegedikan:

"t kitew jpa yew. kekambingan btul chuti kaliey niehhh"


'nanti kita jumpa ye. kekambingan betul cuti kali ni'

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azmira,

"kekambingan" ???
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