Haram ke Tak?

[abgraldo]

Salam Sejahtera to All,
Pakcu saja nak dapatkan pandangan. Sebab benda ni merisaukan Pakcu sikit. Pakcu ada tengok2 kampong sebelah, ada satu thread, tanya pasal makanan kucing yang ada babi ke tak. So ada la org besar tu jawab :

To my understanding tht SP formula is slightly different from SD in term of ingredients, without pork content & even the other ingredients are to the European standard meaning tht they will not use genetic modified grain.

If I'm not too wrong some prescription diet do contain pork content (not neccessary just Hill's) if tht is the case I wonder do you feed it or prefer to see your cat suffer or die. Part of the reason why SP is market here & not SD is bcoz SD do contain pork content in some of the product & due to the sensitivity of the ppl here the distributor choose to market SP & not SD. Shud you feel sensitive abt your cat been fed pork content pls by all mean do check out with the product company first.

So ni Hamba Allah tu jawab :
Yes...
if for life threatening case, then i will still go with those products if i cant find anymore alternative. The daily food, i will not use it..
thanks for the clarification.

Pakcu rasa, selagi boleh di elakkan, kita kena elakkan. Kan makanan kucing banyak. Tak kan ler sampai macam tu sekali dependent kucing tu kat certain brand, kalau tak dapat tu boleh jadi mati. And dalam keadaan mcm ni, jauh sekali dalam keadaan darurat... Seposen dr Pakcu.

[chemonk]

ermmm just asking.. does haram halal concept applies to animal also?

[Bareen]

Darurat benarlah jadinya kalau semua makanan kucing abis cuma tinggal SD.... Abis sebab semua kucing-kucing makan makanan yang halal saja...katalah benar-benar terjadi...yang tinggal SD berbabi jer.

Apalah payahnya, orang mati akal saja yang takkan terfikir nak gi pasar ayam, pasar daging beli daging ayam, daging lembu, daging arnab kecuali daging babi....

Buatlah sendiri raw food......kalau sangsi jugak ayam tu sembelih cara Islam, beli ayam hidup, sembelih sendiri......

Kalau masih gak nak mempertikaikan ayam sembelih sendiri halal ker tak, tanya diri sendiri, ayat dibaca tu betul dan sah ker tak......jadi taklah nak salahkan orang lain melainkan diri sendiri....

Originally Posted by abgraldo

Salam Sejahtera to All,
Pakcu saja nak dapatkan pandangan. Sebab benda ni merisaukan Pakcu sikit. Pakcu ada tengok2 kampong sebelah, ada satu thread, tanya pasal makanan kucing yang ada babi ke tak. So ada la org besar tu jawab :

To my understanding tht SP formula is slightly different from SD in term of ingredients, without pork content & even the other ingredients are to the European standard meaning tht they will not use genetic modified grain.

If I'm not too wrong some prescription diet do contain pork content (not neccessary just Hill's) if tht is the case I wonder do you feed it or prefer to see your cat suffer or die. Part of the reason why SP is market here & not SD is bcoz SD do contain pork content in some of the product & due to the sensitivity of the ppl here the distributor choose to market SP & not SD. Shud you feel sensitive abt your cat been fed pork content pls by all mean do check out with the product company first.

So ni Hamba Allah tu jawab :
Yes...
if for life threatening case, then i will still go with those products if i cant find anymore alternative. The daily food, i will not use it..
thanks for the clarification.

Pakcu rasa, selagi boleh di elakkan, kita kena elakkan. Kan makanan kucing banyak. Tak kan ler sampai macam tu sekali dependent kucing tu kat certain brand, kalau tak dapat tu boleh jadi mati. And dalam keadaan mcm ni, jauh sekali dalam keadaan darurat... Seposen dr Pakcu.

[BabyZee]

Question: Is it permissible to feed my cats cat food which is not halâl? They do not come in to the house and are fed outside.

Answered by Sheikh Yûsuf al-Qâsim

It is permissible to feed house pets with meat that has not been properly slaughtered. They may also be given food that is deemed impure in Islamic Law provided that there is no risk of that food harming the animal.

In the Hanafî legal text Badâ’i` al-Sanâ’i` (1/78), it reads: “Imam Abû Hanîfah held the opinion that it is permissible to feed dogs a dough made of flour which is mixed with impure water. This is because whatever becomes impure is unlawful for human consumption, but it may still be utilized.”

This is the opinion held by most prominent scholars.

It is related by Ibn `Umar that the people, while on a journey with the Prophet (peace be upon him), stopped to rest in the land of Thamûd (Hijr). They filled water from its well and made dough with this water. However, the Prophet (peace be upon him) ordered them to pour out the water and feed the dough to their camels. [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]

Scholars cite this as evidence that it is permissible to feed substances to animals that are not permitted in Islamic Law for human consumption.

And Allah knows best.

This Q&A's was taken from islamtoday.com

[chemonk]

thanks babyzee.. crystal clear...

[abgraldo]

Originally Posted by BabyZee

This Q&A's was taken from islamtoday.com

Is it permissible to feed my cats cat food which is not halâl? They do not come in to the house and are fed outside.

Understood kalau kucing tu kucing luar, and tak masuk langsung dalam rumah. Tapi kalau kucing tu kucing rumah, buat peluk tidur, daging babi tu pulak bila makan dah jadi darah daging dia org, macamana lak hukumnya? Kalau kucing kita tu makan tikus ke, ular ker, cicak ker.. tu memang nature dia org, tapi kalau sumbat dengan makanan ada babi, tu dah unnatural...hmm.

Sorry, it's still not crystal clear to me...

[BabyZee]

Originally Posted by abgraldo

Is it permissible to feed my cats cat food which is not halâl? They do not come in to the house and are fed outside.

Understood kalau kucing tu kucing luar, and tak masuk langsung dalam rumah. Tapi kalau kucing tu kucing rumah, buat peluk tidur, daging babi tu pulak bila makan dah jadi darah daging dia org, macamana lak hukumnya? Kalau kucing kita tu makan tikus ke, ular ker, cicak ker.. tu memang nature dia org, tapi kalau sumbat dengan makanan ada babi, tu dah unnatural...hmm.

Sorry, it's still not crystal clear to me...

Scholars cite this as evidence that it is permissible to feed substances to animals that are not permitted in Islamic Law for human consumption.

maksudnya apa yang tidak halal bagi manusia bleh digunakan untuk haiwan kerana rule yang sama tidak dikenakan untuk haiwan..
yang paling elok untuk diikuti adalah cara Rasulullah S.A.W je tapi kalau masih ragu2 and tidak puas hati bleh amik alternatif lain kan...

[chemonk]

i think maybe perspective from doctor would be useful... well, to me immune system between feline and human is very different... that's why i asked on the concept of halal and haram, does it applies to animal also? the article already replied my question earlier... same goes to human... if you know your neighbor (non-muslim) eat pork.. during hari raya ka.. chinese new year ka.. kalau diorg offer nak salam takkan u tepis kan? maybe they eat.. but it does make them untouchable... same goes to cat... if they eat pork... we still can touch them... not like we touch the pig indirectly ke ape ke... no such things

just my humble opinion

[BabyZee]

Originally Posted by chemonk

i think maybe perspective from doctor would be useful... well, to me immune system between feline and human is very different... that's why i asked on the concept of halal and haram, does it applies to animal also? the article already replied my question earlier... same goes to human... if you know your neighbor (non-muslim) eat pork.. during hari raya ka.. chinese new year ka.. kalau diorg offer nak salam takkan u tepis kan? maybe they eat.. but it does make them untouchable... same goes to cat... if they eat pork... we still can touch them... not like we touch the pig indirectly ke ape ke... no such things

just my humble opinion

yup, concept lebih kurang macam ni la..

[chemonk]

Originally Posted by BabyZee

yup, concept lebih kurang macam ni la..

adeh.. hari ni aku reply sumer tentang concept.. concept hazard & danger la .. concept ni la... hahahahahahha... ni tanda tanda nak naik jadi manager nih... kuikuikui **lariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[abgraldo]

Originally Posted by chemonk

i think maybe perspective from doctor would be useful... well, to me immune system between feline and human is very different... that's why i asked on the concept of halal and haram, does it applies to animal also? the article already replied my question earlier... same goes to human... if you know your neighbor (non-muslim) eat pork.. during hari raya ka.. chinese new year ka.. kalau diorg offer nak salam takkan u tepis kan? maybe they eat.. but it does make them untouchable... same goes to cat... if they eat pork... we still can touch them... not like we touch the pig indirectly ke ape ke... no such things

just my humble opinion

Ok, chemonk..hehe. For Non-muslim, it's their nature. For cats it's not. However, Pakcu rasa all it's up to your niat and keadaan. For life threatening case, mcm ubat ke drugs ke then it's clear. But, I would not simply feed my cats with pork contain food, just because it's permissible in Islam.. and later let the cats lick my face...

[chemonk]

yes true.. babyzee had mentioned earlier.. kalau boleh... avoid la.. but islam is easy.. this applies during emergency... sekarang tak darurat lagi kan.. malaysia kaya with food... boleh kasi kucing makan durian lagik...

[June]

Saya pun setuju dgn Chemonk Pakcu.klu Pakcu chk 1 by 1 suma cat food yg ada,klu pun ada sedikit unsur babi dlm makanan tu,nampak gaya Pakcu kena buat home made cat food utk durang mcm si Bareen cakap.

Originally Posted by abgraldo

Ok, chemonk..hehe. For Non-muslim, it's their nature. For cats it's not. However, Pakcu rasa all it's up to your niat and keadaan. For life threatening case, mcm ubat ke drugs ke then it's clear. But, I would not simply feed my cats with pork contain food, just because it's permissible in Islam.. and later let the cats lick my face...

[BabyZee]

Originally Posted by chemonk

adeh.. hari ni aku reply sumer tentang concept.. concept hazard & danger la .. concept ni la... hahahahahahha... ni tanda tanda nak naik jadi manager nih... kuikuikui **lariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

dengan ada concept la baru senang orang nak faham..
mula2 kita cite facts and rules nya..
pastu cerita dalam bentuk concept untuk lebih memahami..

Originally Posted by abgraldo

Ok, chemonk..hehe. For Non-muslim, it's their nature. For cats it's not. However, Pakcu rasa all it's up to your niat and keadaan. For life threatening case, mcm ubat ke drugs ke then it's clear. But, I would not simply feed my cats with pork contain food, just because it's permissible in Islam.. and later let the cats lick my face...

Originally Posted by chemonk

yes true.. babyzee had mentioned earlier.. kalau boleh... avoid la.. but islam is easy.. this applies during emergency... sekarang tak darurat lagi kan.. malaysia kaya with food... boleh kasi kucing makan durian lagik...

Originally Posted by June

Saya pun setuju dgn Chemonk Pakcu.klu Pakcu chk 1 by 1 suma cat food yg ada,klu pun ada sedikit unsur babi dlm makanan tu,nampak gaya Pakcu kena buat home made cat food utk durang mcm si Bareen cakap.

yup, sekarang di pasaran banyak choices dah so kita bleh elakkan dari pengambilan pork dalam makanan babies kita..
kalau masih ragu2 masih ada alternatif lain bleh di ambil, homemade fodd macam bareen cakap contohnya..
so no worries
apa pun okla dapat elakkan was2 lagi dengan perbincangan topic ini..

[abgraldo]

Originally Posted by June

Saya pun setuju dgn Chemonk Pakcu.klu Pakcu chk 1 by 1 suma cat food yg ada,klu pun ada sedikit unsur babi dlm makanan tu,nampak gaya Pakcu kena buat home made cat food utk durang mcm si Bareen cakap.

Hehe.. Blackwood x der kan? Kalau ada, kira darurat Pakcu nih..wakaka

[June]

Klu lanun tak rampas kapal,tak kira darurat lah Pakcu.wakkakakakak!!

Originally Posted by abgraldo

Hehe.. Blackwood x der kan? Kalau ada, kira darurat Pakcu nih..wakaka

[BabyZee]

Originally Posted by abgraldo

Hehe.. Blackwood x der kan? Kalau ada, kira darurat Pakcu nih..wakaka

zee rasa blackwood takda..
free pork..
cause zee ada baca dah ingredients nya cuma harap takde hidding ingredients jela..
takpela, yakin je mana yang terbaik untuk babies kita..

Originally Posted by June

Klu lanun tak rampas kapal,tak kira darurat lah Pakcu.wakkakakakak!!

lanun mana yang nak rampas ni?
konfius zee..
meh zee panggil jack sparrow lawan lanun2 tu...

[chemonk]

jack sparrow lambat laaa... summon je kraken hempas kapal.. dgn kapal2 blackwood jugak tenggelam... seronok la kraken makan blackwood.. muahahahhaha