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Old 07-22-2010, 02:47 PM
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Default Inflammatory cell infiltration in feline allergic skin disease....Luka silih berganti.

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I need some advice here...

My cat koko agak kerap mempunyai luka, selepas di rawat, luka itu sembuh tp tak lama pastu akan timbul luka baru. Perkara ni akan berulang2. Lepas diamati, luka tu bermula dgn nanah akan tiba2 terkeluar dari kulitnya lepas tu kat nanah tu akan jadi luka sebesar syiling 10 sen hingga nampak daging.

Pd mulanya ingat dia luka sebab dia bergaduh dgn cat i yg satu lg tu or tercucuk benda tajam masa dia nak escape dari rumah. Koko ni dpn i sgt manja dan baik tp belakang i bukan main lasak dan suka memanjat2.

Masa mula2 perasan luka ni i sapu jel gamat healin je, Alhamdulillah dlm 1minggu lebih sembuh tp lepas 1,2 minggu timbul luka baru. Then bawa gi private vet, komen vet tu luka biasa dan diberi suntikan, ubat sapu dan antibiotik. Lepas 1minggu lebih sembuh la luka tu tp lepas 2minggu++ luka lg tp kat tempat lain!

Weekend lepas i bawa gi Vet lg tp kali ni Vet kat ampang yg disyorkan oleh senior PF, i explain dan mintak test sample darah tu coz nak tau sakit apa. Vet tu amik sample darah tp esoknya baru tau result coz kena hantar ke lab kat main branch di Hartamas dan akan call i esoknya utk resultnya.

Esoknya, Vet tu tak call2, Kul 5 lebe i yg call klinik tu tp ckp dgn doktor lain, bukan doc yg check Koko. Doc yg chek Koko base kat Hartamas seminggu sekali je dia kat ampg. Doc yg jwb plak tak bg terus result sebaliknya tanya i luka tu camna, nanah camna dll. Lepas jwb, Vet bgtau Koko ada 'Inflammatory cell', nothing serious like cancer, sporo etc. Bila i tanya next step, jwbnya dia nak tgok dulu lukanya. I kurg puashati la coz hari tu dah bawa, ni klu bawa lg kena consultation fee lg. Pastu dia suruh i call sendiri doc yg rawat koko kat Hartamas tu esoknya coz hari ni Doc tu mc!

Call, nak dpt bukan senang, lepas berkali2 esoknya baru dpt cakap. Jwbnya sama cam doc td iaitu 'Inflammatory cell', nothing serious like cancer, sporo etc. Lega la jugak dan doc tu suruh dtg amik ubat & antibiotik dan lepas seminggu dia suruh bawa Koko ke klinik balik nak tgok samada mujarab tak coz klau tak, kena tukar antibiotik lain.

So sini i nak tanya sesapa yg ada pengalaman atau tau pasal 'Inflammatory cell' ni?? atau adacat yg luka silih berganti? I google takde info sgt especially berkenaan cats...

Lg 1 i kurang puas hati dgn klinik tu coz :
i. Kata nak call tp tak call, kita balik yg call.
ii. Patut bila i call, bole beri result terus bukan tanya2 kita balik dan nak tgok
lg luka tu.. patut doktor2 kat klinik tu berinteraksi dan dah tau apa next step.
iii. Ada ke patut dia suruh i sendiri call doktor yg chek Koko tu bukan patut ada rekod Koko ni ke.

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Old 07-22-2010, 02:51 PM
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Disarankan tidak stick pada satu vet aje untuk mendapatkan penjelasan terbaik.
Harap2 bukan sporo..
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Old 07-22-2010, 03:00 PM
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Disarankan tidak stick pada satu vet aje untuk mendapatkan penjelasan terbaik.
Harap2 bukan sporo..
Yup. Ini Vet kedua i bawa utk luka ni... Doc dah check darah Koko, confirm just 'Inflammatory cell', not sporo or cancer. Tp sebab doc tu jelaskan melalui telepon so tak beriya tanya plak pasal 'Inflammatory cell' ni....
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Old 07-22-2010, 03:13 PM
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Sorry saya tak de pengalaman dengan inflammatory cell ni. Just that recently my late cat kena sporo so berdasarkan apa yang u tulis, simptom nya menunjukkan sifat yang sama dengan inflammatory cell ni.
Hope ada yang mempunyai knowledge boleh bantu origin.
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Old 07-22-2010, 03:44 PM
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Sorry saya tak de pengalaman dengan inflammatory cell ni. Just that recently my late cat kena sporo so berdasarkan apa yang u tulis, simptom nya menunjukkan sifat yang sama dengan inflammatory cell ni.
Hope ada yang mempunyai knowledge boleh bantu origin.
Klau tak silap, sporo ni luka cat tu tak baik2 kan? Cat U yg kena sporo tu, lukanya berjangkit2 ke tempat lain ke? Keluar nanh dulu pastu terbuka lukanya?

Luka cat i bila letak ubat or jel gamat akan sembuh dlm seminggu lebe cuma beberapa minggu pastu akan timbul luka baru tp kat tempat lain plak bukan tempat yg sama...
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Old 07-22-2010, 03:58 PM
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Sporo pada kucing saya, berbentuk 10sen in size, luka nya dalam sampai ke isi. Sebijik macam origin describe.Masa my late cat under treatment dulu, Vet ada bg cream untuk keringkan luka, dan beberapa jenis ubat makan. Luka dia akan baik sekejap, nampak macam nak heal tp tak fully heal, pastu luka nya kembali terbuka. Dalam masa sebulan even masih under treatment, ada luka-luka lain (nampak mcm biji-biji yang merening-rening nak pecah) mula tumbuh di sekeliling luka yang bersaiz 10 tersebut.
Nanah memang takde.
Sporo memang takde harapan nak sembuh. I got no choice then has to put my Bobo to sleep (which is just only 3 days back, air mata pon belom kering lagi ni). Vet juga menasihatkan supaya berhati2 masa handle cat yang ada sporo, takut terjangkit ke manusia. Memang bahaya sporo ni. Luka-lukanya bukan sahaja berjangkit ke tempat lain, kucing2 lain yang incontact pon boleh terjangkit sama.
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:54 PM
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Sporo pada kucing saya, berbentuk 10sen in size, luka nya dalam sampai ke isi. Sebijik macam origin describe.Masa my late cat under treatment dulu, Vet ada bg cream untuk keringkan luka, dan beberapa jenis ubat makan. Luka dia akan baik sekejap, nampak macam nak heal tp tak fully heal, pastu luka nya kembali terbuka. Dalam masa sebulan even masih under treatment, ada luka-luka lain (nampak mcm biji-biji yang merening-rening nak pecah) mula tumbuh di sekeliling luka yang bersaiz 10 tersebut.
Nanah memang takde.
Sporo memang takde harapan nak sembuh. I got no choice then has to put my Bobo to sleep (which is just only 3 days back, air mata pon belom kering lagi ni). Vet juga menasihatkan supaya berhati2 masa handle cat yang ada sporo, takut terjangkit ke manusia. Memang bahaya sporo ni. Luka-lukanya bukan sahaja berjangkit ke tempat lain, kucing2 lain yang incontact pon boleh terjangkit sama.
Luka yg mcm nak heal pastu kembali terbuka lepas brapa lama?

Actually i ada baca thread pasal luka and sporo yg Furkids ada komen tu. Tu yg terus gi Vet and terang2 i bgtau nak check sample luka Koko samada ada sporo ke tak. Lega la bila lepas check doc kata takde.
Tapi tu la.. cara docs tu tak betul... kata nak call tp tak call pastu bila call, macam tak brapa tau mcm tak direkodkan. Tp masa call tu i tanya betul2 ada sporo tak, alhamdulillah takde katanya...

p/s takziah utk U ye.....
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A couple of links on sporotrichosis.....

http://cat-worlds.blogspot.com/2008/...trichosis.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporotrichosis

The diagnosis of sporotrichosis is very straightforward in the cat. A large number of the Sporothrix organisms are usually present in the wound and draining fluid and they can be identified under a microscope.
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A couple of links on sporotrichosis.....

http://cat-worlds.blogspot.com/2008/...trichosis.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporotrichosis

The diagnosis of sporotrichosis is very straightforward in the cat. A large number of the Sporothrix organisms are usually present in the wound and draining fluid and they can be identified under a microscope.
Well, i did sent Koko to Vet and ask to diagnosis for sporo...they took 3 samples (2 from the wound and 1 from the fluid) and said will be taken to the lab which i guess will be microscoped... The result which i got the next day was negative...only have Inflammatory cell.

The clinic, Ara Ampang have good reputation and highly recommended by a senior PF member and moderator here so i think they're reliable..

Thanks 4 the sporo link though... any info on Inflammatory cell in cats? i googled only got Inflammatory bowel desease, that's different right?

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Old 07-23-2010, 11:05 AM
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betul ke sporo atau penyakit yang seangkatan dengannya boleh berjangkit pada manusia?.. agak menakut kan..
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Old 07-23-2010, 11:15 AM
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betul ke sporo atau penyakit yang seangkatan dengannya boleh berjangkit pada manusia?.. agak menakut kan..
Yep, i ada baca gak fasal sporo ni...penyakit yg menyebabkan luka yg tak sembuh2 selagi tak diberi rawatan sepatutnya...asal dari tanah(soil) yg tercemar dgn kuman... kalau cat dpt sporo ni dan terluka, luka tak sembuh2 dan manusia yg ada contact dgn lukanya bole dijangkiti...
Kalau manusia kena, ok lg coz ada rawatannya cuma rawatan tu plak bole beri kesan tak baik pd cats...
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Well, i did sent Koko to Vet and ask to diagnosis for sporo...they took 3 samples (2 from the wound and 1 from the fluid) and said will be taken to the lab which i guess will be microscoped... The result which i got the next day was negative...only have Inflammatory cell.

The clinic, Ara Ampang have good reputation and highly recommended by a senior PF member and moderator here so i think they're reliable..

Thanks 4 the sporo link though... any info on Inflammatory cell in cats? i googled only got Inflammatory bowel desease, that's different right?
Doesn't the clinic have a microscope that the vet could study the samples on the spot? Even urine tests for crystals and other things like PH level, etc, could be done in a vet's clinic on the spot. The vets I go to only send blood samples to the lab for tests, or urine samples for bacteria culture and sensitivity.

I'm afraid I've not heard of inflammatory cell in cats before. Yes, I think inflammatory bowel disease should be a different thing, but that's only as far as I know at this point in time.

P/s: Just found out that it's called inflammatory cell infiltration in feline allergic skin disease. I've edited the subject title of this thread to reflect the name of the condition.

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It appears that there is a condition called inflammatory cell in cats.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17920072

Will have to read and dig (google) further. :)
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Doesn't the clinic have a microscope that the vet could study the samples on the spot? Even urine tests for crystals and other things like PH level, etc, could be done in a vet's clinic on the spot. The vets I go to only send blood samples to the lab for tests, or urine samples for bacteria culture and sensitivity.

I'm afraid I've not heard of inflammatory cell in cats before. Yes, I think inflammatory bowel disease should be a different thing, but that's only as far as I know at this point in time.

P/s: Just found out that it's called inflammatory cell infiltration in feline allergic skin disease. I've edited the subject title of this thread to reflect the name of the condition.
Yes they do have microscope, that's what baffle me coz before going there, i've read a post from Furkids(PF member) that sporo can be diagnos on the spot by micrcoscope...they charged rm15 per sample to be taken to the lab(there are 3 samples taken - one not enough?). So does $$$ play any role??
i dunno...maybe they check for other disease as well coz the doc did say no sporo, cancer or any other serious diseases. Maybe I'm too naive not to question the soft spoken lady doctor.

Thanks for the link, with all the medical terms used i can only understand that's its an allergic skin disease. It didn't mention the cause of the allergic, right? Like food, environment etc... maybe i got to change Koko's diet coz apart from kibbles and canned wetfood i also feed Koko with boiled minced chicken and beef as Koko is a bengal and most bengal breeders suggested this and even raw ones...
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Thanks for the link, with all the medical terms used i can only understand that's its an allergic skin disease. It didn't mention the cause of the allergic, right? Like food, environment etc... maybe i got to change Koko's diet coz apart from kibbles and canned wetfood i also feed Koko with boiled minced chicken and beef as Koko is a bengal and most bengal breeders suggested this and even raw ones...
No, it didn't mention the cause. I haven't had a chance to google up further yet, but with the medical terms that we now know, maybe you could try googling for them? I think there should be tons of material out there on this subject. And please do share with us here if you do find out anything. And when time permits, I'll help google, too.
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i found this about sporo

http://catlina7.blogspot.com/2010/07...chosis_15.html
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Azlan, boleh tanya. Kenapa kucing u jd mcm ni?? Kucing u indoor kan?? Dah neuter ke blm??
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