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07-22-2010, 04:33 PM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
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Salam Lyn Cat......
First of all its not Mukreez yang membawa viral infection tu sebab Mukreez di bawa g vet dengan calico @ stray. Calico di sahkan POSITVE ngan viral tapi at the same time Dr. Teoh confuse sebab mulut Calico penuh dengan ulcer which is not caused by the viral infection. Tapi oleh sebab Wan kata dia akan suh kakak dia yang kerja sebagai Vet akan wat test Dr. Teoh tak wat test untuk poisoning. This also confirmed by Dr. Teoh. Tapi Mukreez di sahkan NEGATIVE. Its not your FAULT.
Scenario.... Wan called me on 7th July 2010 at night saying 'Don't feed your cats with Blackwood' sebab my cats mati lepas consume BW Kitten. Kucing Kak Hani pun tak makan BW Kitten. Kucing Shilla muntah muntah selepas makan BW. Jadi kita orang panick. Tapi after hearing Wan cakap Calico tested POSTIVE for viral Nurul tak was was bagi makan BW. Kucing Shilla pun dah mula makan BW. Sebab muntah over eating.
After that incident saya ada kol Razak @ Housemate Wan... dia kata Tam Tam mati dulu which was before BW gathering 3rd July 2010 and after Tam Tam mati.... ada dalam dua tiga ekor kucing hilang nafsu makan. Then Wan paksa mereka makan juga. Then one by one mati. By Friday, 9th July 2010, most of his cats mati. Only left about 6 which he quarantine dalam bilik.
Sometime last week, saya ada tanya perkembangan Calico... dia kata kata Calico dah ok ... dah mula bermain dan active tapi mulut still ada ulcer. Bila last tanya which was on 17th July 2010, Wan kata Calico dah mati sebab dia PTS Calico sebab mulut dah teruk. Same goes to Tomei @ stray and another stary @ orange. These 3 cats he claimed he PTS because of ulcer in the mouth. Tak tau betul ke tak. PTS or mati sebab viral.
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So, with these stomatitis gingivitis or mouth ulcer problems, added to the Panleukopenia problem is either FCV (Calcivirus) or FIV, or both ... ouch!
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07-23-2010, 02:42 AM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used in the court of law. Just feel like saying that.. Relax everyone I've read everything and not siding any party here, let's just wait for the result on saturday aite. We cannot change what has happened before. I believe even if he can prove what he said was all true, none of you members would believe him anyway. More and more issues would be raise and it will become a never ending drama. Wait for the result, let's give this poor fella one more chance alright?
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07-23-2010, 09:27 AM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
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You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used in the court of law. Just feel like saying that.. Relax everyone I've read everything and not siding any party here, let's just wait for the result on saturday aite. We cannot change what has happened before. I believe even if he can prove what he said was all true, none of you members would believe him anyway. More and more issues would be raise and it will become a never ending drama. Wait for the result, let's give this poor fella one more chance alright?
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My dear friend......
For your information, the cats he is bringing to the vet scheduled for today are new cats that he just got. According to the Vet it will take time for the viral to spread. It can test Negative today and then be positive a few days later.
We are talking about his past dead cats. Sixteen or more defenceless cats/kittens have died under his care. If he is a responsible owner and fosterer why only bring two of his cats to the vet whereby he has other that are sick? Why let them suffer and die a slow death? Why not bring them to the clinic like a responsible owner should do? According to the vet, the cats/kittens will have a chance of survival if they are vacinated and proper medical care given but he never did this.
I have testimonial from Dr. Teoh saying that his cat is tested Positive for viral but he keeps denying and saying that his cats died of POISON. Said there is a report from UPM after an autopsy being done on one of his cats. Asked for a copy of the report as proof. Nadaa! Even lied saying Dr. Teoh confirmed that his cats died of POISON. Checked back with Dr. Teoh.. and Dr. Teoh confirmed that he never did any test whatsoever for POISON. Can't you see that he is lying? Why hide? Why don't just admit? I don't see a problem in admitting that there is a viral going on at his house.
Another thing... knowing that there is a viral going on why want to sell his pet stuff to people. People's cats can die!
Is that a responsible pet owner and fosterer/rescuer?
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07-23-2010, 12:16 PM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
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My dear friend......
For your information, the cats he is bringing to the vet scheduled for today are new cats that he just got. According to the Vet it will take time for the viral to spread. It can test Negative today and then be positive a few days later.
We are talking about his past dead cats. Sixteen or more defenceless cats/kittens have died under his care. If he is a responsible owner and fosterer why only bring two of his cats to the vet whereby he has other that are sick? Why let them suffer and die a slow death? Why not bring them to the clinic like a responsible owner should do? According to the vet, the cats/kittens will have a chance of survival if they are vacinated and proper medical care given but he never did this.
I have testimonial from Dr. Teoh saying that his cat is tested Positive for viral but he keeps denying and saying that his cats died of POISON. Said there is a report from UPM after an autopsy being done on one of his cats. Asked for a copy of the report as proof. Nadaa! Even lied saying Dr. Teoh confirmed that his cats died of POISON. Checked back with Dr. Teoh.. and Dr. Teoh confirmed that he never did any test whatsoever for POISON. Can't you see that he is lying? Why hide? Why don't just admit? I don't see a problem in admitting that there is a viral going on at his house.
Another thing... knowing that there is a viral going on why want to sell his pet stuff to people. People's cats can die!
Is that a responsible pet owner and fosterer/rescuer?
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Nurul, boleh tak sebut specifically which virus it is sebab there are many viruses and the viral tests the vet buat tu are quite specific i.e. Parvovirus, Calcivirus, FIV, FELV, etc. The first two are covered in the core 4-in-1 but the other two, like some others are not in the core vaccinations, but are separate vaccinations.
The reason is because from the symptoms, kan, saya nampak quite a few dah yg circulating in Kyzoor's house. Some are very contagious, some mutates in the specific cat's body and depends on the cat, etc.
It is qood to be able to get a clearer picture for the sake of the existing cats to help them recover/survive.
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07-23-2010, 02:20 PM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
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Nurul, boleh tak sebut specifically which virus it is sebab there are many viruses and the viral tests the vet buat tu are quite specific i.e. Parvovirus, Calcivirus, FIV, FELV, etc. The first two are covered in the core 4-in-1 but the other two, like some others are not in the core vaccinations, but are separate vaccinations.
The reason is because from the symptoms, kan, saya nampak quite a few dah yg circulating in Kyzoor's house. Some are very contagious, some mutates in the specific cat's body and depends on the cat, etc.
It is qood to be able to get a clearer picture for the sake of the existing cats to help them recover/survive.
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07-23-2010, 03:30 PM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
Most cats catch parvovirus from a contaminated environment rather than from contact with an infected cat. The virus is usually secreted in faeces.
Anyway, for those who do not know about this disease, and don't own a copy of Cat Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook, you can read up on it here >>> http://pet-planet.blogspot.com/2008/...arvovirus.html
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07-23-2010, 03:53 PM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
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Most cats catch parvovirus from a contaminated environment rather than from contact with an infected cat. The virus is usually secreted in faeces.
Anyway, for those who do not know about this disease, and don't own a copy of Cat Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook, you can read up on it here >>> http://pet-planet.blogspot.com/2008/...arvovirus.html
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But bear in mind Blackie....when one cat has parvovirus and is sharing one litter box with other cats... this virus can also spread to the other healthy cats.
I also read that this virus can be passed through bedding, saliva and handlers handling infected cats and then handling other non affected cats.
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07-23-2010, 04:24 PM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
Yes, this is true. I said "most cats". What would have happened here is the cat that was either the carrier or actually showing the symptoms was introduced into the environment, and the others were infected, via, as you pointed out, litter box, bedding,saliva and such. But still, it's not directly in contact with another cat, meaning, it's not an airborne virus.
For example, if you put 1 infected cat in a cage and 1 uninfected cat outside of the cage in the same room, and don't handle the uninfected cat after handling the infected cat, and the uninfected cat does not use of the items that the infected cat has used, the uninfected cat should be relatively safe. That said, it's still safer to separate them, as the uninfected cat might touch the cage where the infected cat is kept. This is what I meant by not via direct contact with an infected cat....it's not airborne.
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But bear in mind Blackie....when one cat has parvovirus and is sharing one litter box with other cats... this virus can also spread to the other healthy cats.
I also read that this virus can be passed through bedding, saliva and handlers handling infected cats and then handling other non affected cats.
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07-23-2010, 04:34 PM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
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I also read that this virus can be passed through bedding, saliva and handlers handling infected cats and then handling other non affected cats.
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Ini amat betul, Nurul. And it can remain hidden dormant for a long time in a hidden place that manage to escape successful disinfection.
I am very fearful of panleukopenia ... very. That why especially the kittens need to be vaccinated with full boosters completed to allow their immunity to rise to that important level that is able to protect them against death before putting them in the new environment, not any time before that.
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07-23-2010, 11:09 PM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
Esok hari sabtu. i am waiting for the results.
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07-24-2010, 12:54 AM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
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Kepada Kyzoor :
Berdiam diri adalah lebih baik. Jangan di layan orang-orang yang dah rosak akhlak dan rosak pemikiran. Wan, banyak sabar dan buat yang terbaik ok. InsyAllah, dengan Wan berusaha dan banyak sembahyang, Allah akan berikan jalan kesenangan untuk Wan.
Kepada yang lain :
Yang mengutuk Wan, fikir-fikirlah, anda tu bukan manusia sempurna. Cara anda mengutuk Wan seolah-olah anda tu tak pernah buat silap. Sentiasa sempurna. Perlu ingat, kadang-kadang setiap usaha terbaik kita tidak dibalas dengan yang terbaik juga. Hidup ini ibarat roda. Ada terselindung hikmah dari setiap apa yang terjadi. Jadi jangan cepat menuding jari dan menafikan kerja-kerja Allah.
Kepada Nurul :
Tak perlulah anda bersungguh-sungguh menunjukkan anda itu betul. Anda pun bukan manusia sempurna dan kucing-kucing anda pun semestinya ada yang mati disebabkan penyakit ataupun kelalaian anda sendiri. Pun, anda bukan yang menjaga kucing sebaliknya maid anda yang jaga, yang terang-terang menjaga kucing disebabkan duit dan bukan dengan sifat kesayangan. Pun anda janganlah menghentam peribadi orang lain, kerana peribadi anda pun tidak seberapa, soal hukum hakam Islam langsung tak dipedulikan, aurat dipertontonkan sewenang-wenangnya, sembahyang tak pernah nampak, business deal yang menghalalkan sex bebas. So, hentikan lah mengata peribadi orang. Hidup ini ibarat roda.
Peace! Praise Allah!
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Wahai KukuKaki,
Eh! kawan.... rahsia ko dah pecah sekarang kutuk saya pula. Kutuk aku tak sembahyang? Aku masuk Islam, patut orang Islam macam ko kena bimbing aku. Tp ko pula perangai kalah yahudi. Satu lagi.. bila ko nampak aku ada sembahyang atau tidak? Pakai tudung tapi perangai kalah pelacur. Yang ko minta duit dari orang Negro dan boss ko ngan cerita sedih padahal ko berlaki tapi mengaku tak berlaki. Aku ada maid pun ko kecoh? Jeles pasal ko takde? Sudah la... jangan menyorok kat belakang computer. Meh... tunjuk muka kat sini kalo berani dan benar.
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07-24-2010, 12:56 AM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
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Kepada Kyzoor :
Berdiam diri adalah lebih baik. Jangan di layan orang-orang yang dah rosak akhlak dan rosak pemikiran. Wan, banyak sabar dan buat yang terbaik ok. InsyAllah, dengan Wan berusaha dan banyak sembahyang, Allah akan berikan jalan kesenangan untuk Wan.
Kepada yang lain :
Yang mengutuk Wan, fikir-fikirlah, anda tu bukan manusia sempurna. Cara anda mengutuk Wan seolah-olah anda tu tak pernah buat silap. Sentiasa sempurna. Perlu ingat, kadang-kadang setiap usaha terbaik kita tidak dibalas dengan yang terbaik juga. Hidup ini ibarat roda. Ada terselindung hikmah dari setiap apa yang terjadi. Jadi jangan cepat menuding jari dan menafikan kerja-kerja Allah.
Kepada Nurul :
Tak perlulah anda bersungguh-sungguh menunjukkan anda itu betul. Anda pun bukan manusia sempurna dan kucing-kucing anda pun semestinya ada yang mati disebabkan penyakit ataupun kelalaian anda sendiri. Pun, anda bukan yang menjaga kucing sebaliknya maid anda yang jaga, yang terang-terang menjaga kucing disebabkan duit dan bukan dengan sifat kesayangan. Pun anda janganlah menghentam peribadi orang lain, kerana peribadi anda pun tidak seberapa, soal hukum hakam Islam langsung tak dipedulikan, aurat dipertontonkan sewenang-wenangnya, sembahyang tak pernah nampak, business deal yang menghalalkan sex bebas. So, hentikan lah mengata peribadi orang. Hidup ini ibarat roda.
Peace! Praise Allah!
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wow, kau serumah ke dengan kak nurul? sampai tahu dia sembahyang ke tak? dhla ni post baru kau..kelakar..u tell us not to say anything about anyone personal..but, what are u doing/saying now? isn't that means u talking about other's personal? hm? how do u know so many much thing bout her? sure u got an info from sumbody who dont like her at the moment..we PF know who u are..checked!
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07-24-2010, 01:11 AM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
Dari awal hingga sekarang, yangs aya buat hanyalah membaca.. pada pandangan saya, mungkin ada juga faktor kecuaian yang datangnya dari kurangnya ilmu pengetahuan berkenaan hal-hal penyakit merbahaya kucing. Saya mengaku, saya juga tak akan tahu atau boleh terfikir macamana bahayanya FELV jika bukan kerana petfinder. Kyznor, seperti yang kita tahu, adalah ahli yang baru sahaja aktif di sini, di mana mungkin sebelum nieh dia belum lagi pernah hadapi penyakit-penyakit membawa maut. Saya bukan nak menyebelahi siapa-siapa, samada Kyznoor, kakak-kakak taiko kita tapi .. tragedi ini terjadi kerana kurangnya celik ilmu dan juga bercampur ego sesama sendiri.. Adat belajar mengajar, dah salah mengaku saja.. kerana kurang/ceteknya ilmu..bukan cuba memutar belitkan fakta... Orang yang paling saya pandang tinggi sekarang adalah orang yang mengaku srta memperbetul keadaan dan juga orang yang berpendirian. jadi yang banyak ilmu, ajarlah...
Nampak jelas, sebelah pihak kurang ilmu, pihak sebelah lagi cuba mencari salah sesalah-salahnya.. yang menyebabkan pihak satu lagi panas dan cuba mempertahankan / menepis dakwaan yang mungkin menyebabkan data yang berbelit.. Keximpulannya, isu ini adalah mudah. Oleh kerana kedua-dua pihak bertelagah keduanya betul, kita tunggu sahaja keputusannya esok.. Patutnya tiada lagi spekulasi ataupun serangan peribadi.. Macam mod cakap, apa yang orang buat dalam hidup atau cakap tak serupa bikin, bukan di bidang kuasa kita. Peribadi / personaliti orang biarlah diri sendiri yang sedar dan berubah. Semuanya dah besar panjang.
Dan satu lagi, dalam hangat-hangat isu, saya hanya boleh menggelengkan kepala, kalau dulunya berkawan rapat, bersekutu menyerang orang dan juga beramah mesra, keluar makan ramai-ramai, minum ramai-ramai, minta tolong , hulur pertolongan.. usaha yang amat murni untuk memulakan talian persahabatan. Tapi macam orang tua cakap, kawan yang berdiri untuk kita itu boleh bilang dengan jari. Sedih juga tengok, kalau ia pun, apa yang kita tahu, diam-diam sajalah.. nak selesai atau nak bercerita , janganlah sampai seluruh dunia tahu.. sekarang? Dah nampak sangat ramai 'rakan' sejatinya..
Ini cumalah pendapat saja.. No offence ya.. CUma pandangan dari yang memerhati
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07-24-2010, 11:44 AM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
salam adik adik semua. Akak akan post the result of finding soon. I m replying tis via my handphone. It is rather dificult to read the thread. Notebook hang lak bila nak down picture. So plse stay calm.
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07-24-2010, 01:30 PM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
Good day everyone, am just a follower of this serious cat abusing case, and what I saw 'kukukaki' commented was so obvious that he is the same owner of the cat abuser. Agreed with 'nur azua' too. So I think this profile-less 'kukukaki' is somehow challenging everyone's mind, please don't be tempting to argue to a pointless arguement. Though I have no evidence to prove 'kukukaki' is the same person, but I believe everyone sees what I see, all I want to say is, again, though I do not know this person, but if you know your mistake, why is it so hard to admit, you just got 1 life to live and why trying so hard to live with it.
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07-24-2010, 03:29 PM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
I've been a silent observer but I feel I can no longer stay silent with all this cattiness going around. Please refrain from baseless personal attacks and please only stick to the facts and topic of this forum.
Kuukkaki, you're alienating a lot of other people with your unwarrantred comments. If admin can delete the pointless comments it's even better.
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07-24-2010, 04:11 PM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
I second MidnightMaiden suggestion. Dear Admin, please delete kukukaki's pointless comment.
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07-24-2010, 06:39 PM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
Ala..ingatkan dah ada result..belum lagi..ish3..6hours to go..then its Sunday!
MOd: hope that the pointless comment from kukukaki.TQ
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07-24-2010, 08:37 PM
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Re: Resolution of Dispute - Kyzoor's Cats
Dear All
I am downloading the picture first.
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07-24-2010, 08:46 PM
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