Neutering, What to expect, preparations??

[FurKids]

Apa maksud dia potong sikit takper? Walaupun sikit, dah tak berkesan sebagai defense weapon when your dear life depends on it ... otherwise God would not have given them such sharp claws, kan? In the animal kingdom survival is of the utmost importance ...

[Nana]

hmm.... I think I read in a book suggested by FK , that if ur cats are indoor, they don't use their kuku often, it's gonna grow so panjang and melengkung that it grows innerly and later poke the soft paw. something like that, unless the cat actively scratch on scratching post and can keep it a bit blunt but not too blunt...and thus if we clip, we clip sikit only..

[bbpie]

Originally Posted by FurKids

Kawan, elok jangan sekali-kali potong kuku kucing sebab you tak tahu bila satu hari nanti (walaupun you jaga rapi dan tak bagi dia keluar) dia hilang dan kuku-kuku nya adalah merupakan alat penting utk kucing mempertahankan diri nya daripada bahaya dan supaya dia dapat memanjat/turun dengan pantas utk menyelamatkan diri nya.

Jangan potong kuku kucing, kawan ...

on this i would agree with abe FK. for anak2 bb lagi ler xleh potong, they r indoor/outdoors, walau kekadang bile dia buatnye kite nih scratch post tuh geram gak laaaaaaaa nak haku eeeeeeeeeeeeeee kan dorang..tapi always fikir..mende tu penting utk dorang. biar pun my friends sampai cakap..ko ni keje buruh ker hape..tangan kaki comot bertander

[June]

akak pun sependapat dgn ko dan FK. akak tak pernah ketip kuku kucing2 suma yg ada.bg durang scratching post/pad biar durang cakar2 smp puas

Originally Posted by bbpie

on this i would agree with abe FK. for anak2 bb lagi ler xleh potong, they r indoor/outdoors, walau kekadang bile dia buatnye kite nih scratch post tuh geram gak laaaaaaaa nak haku eeeeeeeeeeeeeee kan dorang..tapi always fikir..mende tu penting utk dorang. biar pun my friends sampai cakap..ko ni keje buruh ker hape..tangan kaki comot bertander

[Nana]

Originally Posted by June

bg durang scratching post/pad biar durang cakar2 smp puas

mine, bukan setakat scrathing post, kak june.....habis suma segala kerusi ...tp the thing is...only Bulan, so mmg perasan kuku dia xpernah setajam kuku Bintang... maybe Bintang ni ppn ayu jenis yg simpan kuku

[June]

Nana, ko kena kawal durang.kucing ndak suka bau citrus.ko beli spray ada lime/limau scent atau beli buah limau/lemon dan sprinkle air limau/lemon di tempat yg durang selalu cakar tp ko ndak suka.ko tgk apa result lepas tu. ko beli catnip,ko sprinkle pula di tempat yg ko mau durang scratch.huhuhuhu!! ko tgk durang sungguh2 cakar itu tempat.hehehhehe

Originally Posted by Nana

mine, bukan setakat scrathing post, kak june.....habis suma segala kerusi ...tp the thing is...only Bulan, so mmg perasan kuku dia xpernah setajam kuku Bintang... maybe Bintang ni ppn ayu jenis yg simpan kuku

[FurKids]

Originally Posted by June

... akak tak pernah ketip kuku kucing2 suma yg ada.bg durang scratching post/pad biar durang cakar2 smp puas ...

Betol, sis, mereka ada memperolehi sesuatu kepuasan apabila dapat mencakar ... and this feel-good feeling is good for them ... saya suker benor bila nengok my furkids jumping for joy bila nampak saya dan the things they do are either bergolek kat lantai mintak cuddle/stroke atau menggeletek perut ... atau slooooooooowly stretch, pastu ... "graaaakkkkkk!!! gruuuukkkkkk!!! geraaaakkkkk!!!! gerrruuuuuuukkkkkkk!!!!" garu papan kasar yg diletakkan khas utk mereka garu ...... sampai kita boleh rasa kegembiraan dan kepuasan mereka ... so, the ability to scratch ada positive mental dan emotional benefit utk kucing.

Originally Posted by Nana

hmm.... I think I read in a book suggested by FK , that if ur cats are indoor, they don't use their kuku often, it's gonna grow so panjang and melengkung that it grows innerly and later poke the soft paw. something like that, unless the cat actively scratch on scratching post and can keep it a bit blunt but not too blunt...and thus if we clip, we clip sikit only..

Ya, Nana, especially utk kucing indoors mcm tu ... some cats, especially yg tak sihat atau are not provided with or don't like the scratching material provided, they end up not scratching their nail and this kind of thing happens.

Tapi saya perasan, mereka SURE suka papan kayu kasar ... macam papan daripada crate limau mandarin Kong Hee Fatt Choy tu .... saya mesti simpan a few to tie vertically in the cage ... biar tak lawa tak per, janji mereka happy ... stretch upwards to garu sampai punggong dia bergoyang!

You know Nana, my friends yg pernah potong kuku furkids mereka cerita bahawa it is quite common that the ppl yg memotong kuku kucing to overdo sebab mereka main bantai out of ignorance ... you know la, many hire maids to do it ... ada yg guna shampoo anjing utk kucing (not knowing that a lot of dog products cannot be used on cats due to toxicity) out of sheer ignorance and take short cuts ... ada juga yg anesthetise the cat supaya dapat mandikannya dan groom dengan senang (senang utk dia la) instead of learning cat handling well.

It is for these reasons of incompetencies of the grooming staff that kita perlu berhati-hati and it is better to simply toss them a rough plank of wood. Seronok nengok mereka.

Satu lagi, kucing kampung kiter nie kebanyakkan tak macam kucing from pet shops ... definitely will not sit around and let their kuku grow like that ... I notice kalau saya luper ikat plank dalam sangkar mereka, huhuhuuuuu!!! they even scratch their claws against the metal wires! " ...taaanng! taaaang! taannnngg!" bunyi nyer .....

[FurKids]

Originally Posted by Nana

mine, bukan setakat scrathing post, kak june.....habis suma segala kerusi ...tp the thing is...only Bulan, so mmg perasan kuku dia xpernah setajam kuku Bintang... maybe Bintang ni ppn ayu jenis yg simpan kuku

Heheheheee .... Nana, it works like this ... kalau sorang dah mula, semua akan ikut kat tempat tu sebab scratching is also a territorial marking action ... (same as rubbing its face at your legs, etc ... he is marking you as his property actually ) bila dia scratch, bau daripada tempat paw pad dia ditinggalkan di tempat tersebut ... then another cat comes along ... it smells, smells that spot ... hmmmmm! somebody booking tempat nieee ... saya pun nak booking ... and he goes "Scraaaaatch! scraaaaatch!!!! scraaaaatttchhhhh!!!".

And then kalau jumpa yg alpha male/female, dia bukan setakat "Scraaaaatch! scraaaaatch!!!! scraaaaatttchhhhh!!!" ... mungkin dia akan "Sssshhhhhhhhhhh!"

Hahahahahaaaaa!!!!

[FurKids]

Originally Posted by euanna

... Bila budak2 2 ekor ni datang dekat cage dia..bukan durang yang growling.. dia yang growling... nak potong kuku.. perghh... garang... Tengok in future.. sapa taiko kat rumah ni

Baru jumpa maklumat nie ... memang confirm my bad feelings mengenai perkara potong kuku sang kucing ....

Euanna, jangan potong kuku si comel, jangan potong, jangan ... jangan ... jangan ............

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ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE

from SHELTER WORKERS, VETERINARIANS, & CAT CONSULTANTS regarding declawed cats developing unfavorable behavioral problems. Plus, WHY CATS ARE RELINQUISHED FROM THE HOME SURVEYS.
http://www.pawsneedclaws.com/Declaw_...ral_Issues.php


***Published 2/1/03 on CourierPostOnline.com, "Eighty percent of the that are surrendered that are declawed are euthanized because they have a behavioral problem…. Declawed cats frequently become biters and also stop using litter boxes… One or the other…,” said William Lombardi shelter director, Gloucester County, New Jersey.

***“Gloucester County Animal Shelter, says Lombardi, who’s been the director for three years and an animal control officer for 25, Cats with claws, he says, are always surrendered for human-related issues, mainly “moving and can’t take the cat with us.” Declawed cats, on the other hand, have behavior problems, and most who come in end up having to be euthanized. Even when Lombardi works with declawed cats and tries to place them in new homes, they often come back to the shelter for not using the litter box”.…”Almost all of our hotline calls are declawed cats with litter box issues,” says Pat Rock of the Oshkosh Area Humane Society in Wisconsin.” "The Declaw Dilemma", Nancy Lawson http://www.animalsheltering.org/reso...aw_dilemma.pdf

***Seventy percent (70%) of cats turned in to pounds and shelters for behavioral problems are declawed. (National Survey from pounds & shelters obtained by Caddo Parrish Forgotten Felines & Friends) http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/declaw.html

***From the Summer 2002 issue of PETA’s Animal Times: “A survey by a Delaware animal shelter showed that more than 75% of the cats turned in for avoiding their litter boxes had been declawed.”

***”In my own three-year experience, 95% of calls about declawed cats related to litter box problems, while only 46% of clawed cats had such problems—and most of those were older cats with physical ailments. Of my calls, only declawed cats have cost their owners security deposits, leather sofas and floorboards. And it’s mostly declawed cats that have been prescribed pain killers, anti-depressants, tranquilizers and steroids. Two-thirds of my calls are about litter box problems. In 90% of those cases, the cat is declawed, sick or old. In 7 years, only 3 people have called about a “scratching-the-sofa problem” - yet countless of “healthy” declawed cats have peed on sofas." Annie Bruce, cat consultant & author Cat Be Good, www.goodcatswearblack.com

***"Another county facility automatically puts down or transfers out any declawed cat, because of the greater likelihood that such cats will exhibit behavior problems such as litterbox avoidance or a propensity for biting"http://www.bestfriends.org/archives/...5adoptions.pdf

***"Declawing does not keep a cat in its home. A declawed cat may lose its home, because of behavior problems that may develop after declawing...Considering all factors in aggregate, statistically, a declawed cat is more likely to be killed in the pound, because it was declawed." Dr. Jennifer Conrad, DVM, The Paw Project, http://www.pawproject.com/psa/facts_tips.asp

*** “Behavioral problems frequently haunt declawed cats. By far, the commonest thing we see is cats not using the litterbox. When cats have stress beyond what they can take, it often shows up as a litterbox problem and declawing makes them stress intolerant, in general, for the rest of their lives,” Dr. Harrison, DVM. Dr. Harrison gets 3-12 calls a day about litter box problems in cats and, after ruling out medical problems, 90 percent of the cats with litter box aversion are declawed cats. “Declawing: Behavior Modification or Destructive Surgery”, Animal Issues, 1998

*** “…our cat care coordinator, was becoming increasingly disturbed at the euthanasia rate for declawed cats and decided to conduct an informal study. She discovered that more than 80% of declawed cats that were either returned or owner surrendered that year were done so because of litterbox problems or biting.” http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/declawshelter.html

*** “In some cases, when declawed cats use the litterbox after surgery, their feet are so tender they associate their new pain with the box...permanently, resulting in a life-long adversion to using the litter box. Other declawed cats that can no longer mark with their claws, they mark with urine instead resulting in inappropriate elimination problems, which in many cases, results in relinquishment of the cats to shelters and ultimately euthanasia. Many of the cats surrendered to shelters are surrendered because of behavioral problems which developed after the cats were declawed. Risk factors for relinquishment of cats to an animal shelter: "Among 218 cats relinquished to a shelter, more (52.4%) declawed cats than non-declawed cats (29.1%) were reported by owners to have inappropriate elimination problems." Source: World Small Animal Veterinary Association – 2001 http://maxshouse.com/facts_about_declawing.htm


***"My own queries to shelter personnel show that 20% of all cats entering shelters have already been declawed, and half of these declawed cats do not reach the adoption shelter, as they are screened out at intake as "behavior problems". Harriet Baker, "The Shocking Truth About Declawing Cats", 2003

***2/2007 "...Delaware Humane Association...Declawing also can lead to litter box problems...75 percent of declawed cats in shelters are there because they had issues using their litter boxes.
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/p...0307/-1/NEWS01

***In a study published in the January, 2001 JAVMA, 33% of 39 cats that underwent onychectomy developed "at least" one behavior problem immediately after surgery, with the most common problems being litter box problems and biting.

*Cocheco Valley Humane Society of Dover, NH annual shelter statistics revealed that there was a high percentage (66-72%) of cats turned in with behavioral problems who were declawed cats. Behavioral problems included improper elimination and aggressiveness. Shelter Sense, 8/1992, "A Cat and His Claws Are Too Often Parted: The Realities of Delawing" by Rhonda Lucas Donalds

*** “Dr. Susan Swanson, DVM, owner of the Cat Care Clinic in Mahtomedi, Minnesota, notes that "year after year, the declawed cats that I see in my practice have higher rates of litter box issues such as inappropriate elimination"…Nearly every shelter and rescue group director in the country makes the same observation. Sore paws that don't feel like digging in the litter may be one reason why declawed cats are more prone to litter box rejection. (The accumulated stress buildup from lack of scratching may also be a contributing factor, as stress is implicated in half of all urinary tract problems).” "Why Cats Need Claws", Gary Lowenthal
http://www.oahs.org/pdf/WhyCatsNeedT...%20Claws%22%22

*** Based upon conversations with our customers who bought Feliway because their cats were peeing outside of the box I'd say that at least60%, if not closer to 70%, of these people had cats who were declawed..." Cat Faeries behaviorist and feline territory specialist

*** “Asthma and cystitis (inflammation of the bladder) have also been linked to the stress of declaws…consider the possibility of post-surgery behavior problems – especially litterbox issues and aggression…reports abound among cat owners and some animal behaviorists also notice a link. Karen Overall, VMD, Ph.D a specialist in veterinary medicine, has seen transient aggression and reluctance to use the litterbox after declaw. There is also the issue of trust...Interestingly, the humane society workers have made these claims about declawed cats for years”. "Declaw Details", Dr. Brenda McClelland, DVM, Cat Fancy Magazine Jan 2006 p. 44-47

*** “Chronic physical ailments such as cystitis or skin disorders can be manifestations of a declawed cat’s frustration and stress.” David E. Hartnett, DVM http://www.petstation.com/declaw.html

*** “…San Francisco Care and Control ("some declawed cats become more nervous biters; others are known to become even more destructive to furniture than before the operation; and many cats stop using the litterbox"), East Bay SPCA ("deprived of their primary form of defense, declawed cats become nervous, fearful, and/or aggressive, often using their only remaining defense, their teeth. Some cats stop using their litter pan. This may be associated to the discomfort of scratching in the litter after the surgery"), and Palo Alto Humane Society ("we have a no-declaw policy"). These organizations and the individuals working there are obviously highly motivated to find each cat a home and do not wish to see the cat returned. They have found that declawed cats, with a disproportionate rate of biting and house soiling, have a relatively low adoption success rate.” Dr. Jennifer Conrad, DVM The Paw Project, http://www.pawproject.com/html/faqs.asp

***In a recent study published October, 2001, JAVMA by Dr. Gary J. Patronek, VMD, PhD., “…declawed cats were at an increased risk of relinquishment.”

***"One problem we have is people get their cats de-clawed," he said. "De-clawing a cat is like cutting off the end of your finger. When you de-claw a cat, you remove digits. When the cat gets older, it stops using the litter box because the litter gets stuck between its toes and the cat doesn't like it. A lot of older cats are surrendered because they stop using the litter box and people don't want to clean up after them." http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com...dogpnd.ii1.txt
St. Louis, MO humane shelter 2/2007

***According to a pain management article from 2005, Dr. Gaynor, DVM states, "It is becoming more and more apparent that the number of feline patients who have declaw prodcedures performed have subsequent chronic pain issues...Another client complaint is a cat who just has some behavioral changes which may include decreased activity, decreased appetite, or increased aggression...within days to months to years...". http://www.cvmbs.colostate.edu/ivapm...May%202005.pdf

***"...Declawing that results in biting or inappropriate elimination outside the litterbox may result in the cat being permanently locked in the basement, dumped at a shelter, or simply abandoned. Many cats are exiled to a life outdoors because of these unwanted behaviors. There, they also risk injury or death by dogs, cars, wild predators, disease, poison, and other hazards of outdoor life; even more so than clawed cats who retain their primary defenses. People who work with feral cat Trap-Neuter-Release programs often find declawed cats in their traps--cats who should never have been outside at all. These cats once had homes, but were abandoned in an alley or field--almost certainly due to behavior problems resulting from declaw surgery. The claim by veterinarians that "declawing keeps cats in their homes" clearly isn't true for these declawed cats who lost their homes and were abandoned to an uncertain fate. There is no way to know how many cats are dumped this way, but based on experiences in Denver, a typical urban environment, the number is likely in the many thousands. "Declawing: A Rational Look" Dr. Jean Hofve, DVM http://www.littlebigcat.com/index.ph...=show&item=002

*...(declaw surgery)..."I've counseled too many cases when these cats becoming biters and/or develop litter box problems due to painful paws" Amy D. Shojai, IAABC Certified Animal Behavior Consultant, http://www.heralddemocrat.com/articl...ife/life04.txt

*Unfortunately, some veterinarians are not aware of the consequences of this procedure...some think the cat will lose its home if they don't declaw it, but if you statistically analyze it, you realize that the cat has a higher chance of losing its home because of the subsequent behavioral changes," Conrad said, "It does not behoove the cat in any way." Dr. Jennifer Conrad, DVM, "Supreme Court Upholds Ban On Declawing", Beverly Press, Vol 17 No. 42, Oct 18, 2007

Aug. 18, 2006, 7:21PM
ANIMAL DOCTOR
Declawing may increase biting
By DR. MICHAEL FOX
United Feature Syndicate

Dear Dr. Fox: I have a Maine coon cat that I adopted from a shelter. He has a disability (his right leg is very short), and I was told he must remain an indoor cat. I had him declawed as well as altered. He is a great companion and very affectionate, although he will not sit on my lap. He has a bad habit of biting my hand when I try to play with him, not hard, more of a nip. I would like to break him of this if I can. He is a little under 2 years old. Does he do this because he has no front claws, or is this a throwback to his wild nature? J.H.C., Schenectady, N.Y.

Dear J.H.C.: It is regrettable that you had your already crippled cat declawed. Declawed cats tend to bite more, in part because their first line of defense, their claws, has been removed. Cat bites are much more dangerous than the occasional scratch because of possible infection. Without claws to hold and manipulate things, declawed cats tend to become more oral, mouthingand chewing more.

DR. MICHAEL FOX
United Feature Syndicate
200 Madison Ave.
New York, NY 10016

[euanna]

Errr FK.. declawing dengan trim kuku lain...

Declawing is somewhat removing ur cat's claw.. it's like a surgery to remove the claw totally. Declawing is actually an amputation of the last joint of your cat's "toes".
http://www.declawing.com/

Apa yang I buat is only trimming the curved sharp edge of the claw. Supaya dia tak terlalu mencederakan bila anak2 bulus kat rumah ni cuba lompat ke atas lap.. atau bergurau sesama mereka. That's all.. I doesn't worry much about them scratching the furniture sebab I tak ada furniture sangat pun..

*Tengok semula.. adeh,... banyaknya salah spelling *

[hatemetoday]

Originally Posted by euanna

Errr FK.. declawing dengan trim kuku lain...

Declawing is somewhat removing ur cat's claw.. it's like a surgery to remove the claw totally. Declawing is actually an amputation of the last joint of your cat's "toes".
http://www.declawing.com/

Apa yang I buat is only trimming the curved sharp edge of the claw. Supaya dia tak terlalu mencederakan bila anak2 bulus kat rumah ni cuma lompat ke atas lap.. atas bergurau sesama mereka. That's all.. I doesn't worry much about they scratching the furniture sebab I tak ada furniture sangat pun..

kan yann...definasi declawed kita trim kuku yg part melengkuk tu jek...yg mat salleh nye declawed ni kasik buang habes tak leh tumbuh lagik (serius siot aku tak penah terfikir ada gak pet owner nak buang kuku kucing totally just for the sake of safety)...which akak rasa tak patut la untuk seekor karnivor ...ke yg kita ketip2 kuku dorang tu ada istilah lain...

[FurKids]

Originally Posted by euanna

Errr FK.. declawing dengan trim kuku lain...

Declawing is somewhat removing ur cat's claw.. it's like a surgery to remove the claw totally. Declawing is actually an amputation of the last joint of your cat's "toes".
http://www.declawing.com/

Apa yang I buat is only trimming the curved sharp edge of the claw. Supaya dia tak terlalu mencederakan bila anak2 bulus kat rumah ni cuma lompat ke atas lap.. atas bergurau sesama mereka. That's all.. I doesn't worry much about they scratching the furniture sebab I tak ada furniture sangat pun..

Mengikut kajian, potong sikit pun ada effect yg dapat dirasai oleh kucing walaupun kepada kita hanya sedikit, Euanna ... of course removing the whole claw by surgery is the paling teruk ...

Sebab in the animal kingdom, survival is very important, sharp claws are essential to their survival ... animals are very sensitive to their survival potential, sebab tu bila mereka sakit pun akan muster all their energy utk berlagak as if not sick or wounded sebab in the animal kingdom, the enemy seeks out the weak and wounded to kill.

Sebab tu a sick or wounded animal mesti nak cari tempat sembunyi dan tak mahu keluar langsung.

Potong sikit is also removing the claw, tapi remove sedikit ... a small part of it. But it still makes a difference to the animal yg ingin menggunakan the sharpness for a definite purpose in self-defence towards its survival.

Euanna baca tak thread Azzudagreat yg tanya kenapa kucingnya tak mahu kambus najis dia dah? Saya terus tanya dia samada dia ada potong kuku. Dia jawab ada, tapi sekali dan hanya potong sedikit sahaja.

You need to understand how the animal mind and brain works. Buku "Animals In Translation" by the famous animal scientist Temple Grandin will tell you all that and it tells you to never humanise the animal. It will be the greatest mistake. Saya banyak belajar dari buku tu.

[euanna]

Hmm.. anak2 bulus kat rumah ni bukan setakat kambus.. dia korek sampai hujung dunia kalau boleh. Self defense hmm? True, kalau kucing2 ni outdoor. Tapi kucing saya tak akan dibenarkan outdoor w/o supervision, senang kata dah jadi fully indoor. Maka... self defense againts.... apa yer?

Kalau nak dikatakan potong kuku penyebab kucing jadi penakut, lari sembunyi? No, I don't think so.. saya ada 2 ekor kucing yang saya biar lepas dalam rumah most of the day.. seekor teramat penakut.. dengar bunyi kunci takut, bunyi pintu buka lari, sebab yang ini saya adopt dari SPCA. So, tak tau what happened to him before he was adopted by me. The other kitten, is too brave. Ran outside if front door is open, doesn't care who is around him or pet him. He's very friendly and of course very well behaved when stranger come into the house.He was a stray I picked up when he was a month old. Both have trimmed front nails, but different behavior.
If I could, I wouldn't trim their nail.. it's time consuming.. I am a lazy person tbh.. but if I don't trim.. I bet there will not only be white lines on the belly of my kittens but deep scratch wounds. I worry more about the chances of their curved sharp claw get stuck on some piece of furniture, wire mesh and get pulls off. Then again, you could call me an inhuman person for trying to trim their sharp claw.

[FurKids]

Originally Posted by euanna

Hmm.. anak2 bulus kat rumah ni bukan setakat kambus.. dia korek sampai hujung dunia kalau boleh. Self defense hmm? True, kalau kucing2 ni outdoor. Tapi kucing saya tak akan dibenarkan outdoor w/o supervision, senang kata dah jadi fully indoor. Maka... self defense againts.... apa yer?

Tak tahu, Euanna, tapi you never know in an emergency and accidents do happen ... tapi Euanna dah aware pasal nie so I am sure you will always take care because you cayang them ... banjir KL kalau hilang I am sure ... hehehheeeee!!!

Originally Posted by euanna

Kalau nak dikatakan potong kuku penyebab kucing jadi penakut, lari sembunyi? .

Heheheeee, Euanna salah baca post saya ...

Originally Posted by euanna

[No, I don't think so.. saya ada 2 ekor kucing yang saya biar lepas dalam rumah most of the day.. seekor teramat penakut.. dengar bunyi kunci takut, bunyi pintu buka lari, sebab yang ini saya adopt dari SPCA. So, tak tau what happened to him before he was adopted by me. The other kitten, is too brave. Ran outside if front door is open, doesn't care who is around him or pet him. He's very friendly and of course very well behaved when stranger come into the house.He was a stray I picked up when he was a month old. Both have trimmed front nails, but different behavior.
If I could, I wouldn't trim their nail.. it's time consuming.. I am a lazy person tbh.. but if I don't trim.. I bet there will not only be white lines on the belly of my kittens but deep scratch wounds. I worry more about the chances of their curved sharp claw get stuck on some piece of furniture, wire mesh and get pulls off. Then again, you could call me an inhuman person for trying to trim their sharp claw.

Tak lah mcm tu, Euanna, orang yg buang seluruh kuku tu yang orang anti-declaw tu kata "inhumane" ... orang yg bunuh little Simba dgn racun tu yg kita boleh panggil "inhumane".

[rozzygee]

Originally Posted by FurKids

Mengikut kajian, potong sikit pun ada effect yg dapat dirasai oleh kucing walaupun kepada kita hanya sedikit, Euanna ... of course removing the whole claw by surgery is the paling teruk ...

Sebab in the animal kingdom, survival is very important, sharp claws are essential to their survival ... animals are very sensitive to their survival potential, sebab tu bila mereka sakit pun akan muster all their energy utk berlagak as if not sick or wounded sebab in the animal kingdom, the enemy seeks out the weak and wounded to kill.

Sebab tu a sick or wounded animal mesti nak cari tempat sembunyi dan tak mahu keluar langsung.

Potong sikit is also removing the claw, tapi remove sedikit ... a small part of it. But it still makes a difference to the animal yg ingin menggunakan the sharpness for a definite purpose in self-defence towards its survival.

Euanna baca tak thread Azzudagreat yg tanya kenapa kucingnya tak mahu kambus najis dia dah? Saya terus tanya dia samada dia ada potong kuku. Dia jawab ada, tapi sekali dan hanya potong sedikit sahaja.

You need to understand how the animal mind and brain works. Buku "Animals In Translation" by the famous animal scientist Temple Grandin will tell you all that and it tells you to never humanise the animal. It will be the greatest mistake. Saya banyak belajar dari buku tu.

hmmm.. no wonder!.. it make sense.. Sis baru je potong kuku 1 of my cat (small part - hujung kuku) sbb tak tahan sis asyik kena cakar. Pd hal dia cuma bergurau.. a very plain gurauan tp dah byk my body part calar sbb kuku dia runcing sgt... IF not sis tak dpt nak bermanja dgn dia..

Sblum ni tak pernah sis buang kuku kucing..

Sis rasa sis kena try another method on how to approach and play with him. Kena pakai sarung tangan la nampaknya.

[FurKids]

In cat training school, we are taught to use toys to play with cats and use hands and fingers moving very, very slowly (they call dead man's hand) to touch and stroke cats. If they start to play with your hands and fingers, IMMEDIATELY STOP AND DO NOT MOVE YOUR FINGERS AND HANDS AT ALL. Any jerky or swift movements will excite the cat further. Then, very, very slowly, pull your hand away and wait till the cat calms down.

The cat must be trained to associate your hand and fingers with stroking and feeding and toys with playing, especially rough playing.

If you play with your cat using your hands and tease it, making it chase your hand to bite and grap with its claws, you are the one creating trouble and confusing your cat ... and then you go and snip the poor cat's claws! Itu buku ada cerita semua nie ... it has helped me tremendously to understand how animals behave and why and understand what I must always and what I must never do with an animal .... and never to think of them and expect them to behave like humans.

[rieyna]

Originally Posted by June

Jd ko antar Sherbet sabtu ni?? ntah kenapa belakanga ni Klinik Kembiri ramai betul.2 minggu lalu masa bawa Topeng pun sama.nasib baik akak kol 815pg dah standby depan klinik.jd akak nombor 1.lepas register tunggu durang operate Topeng.yg jantan durang operate dulu sebab cepat.budak yg seorang tu kucing dia kuar pkl 1030pg sebab kucing jantan.akak punya kuar pkl 11pg.

eh,tak percaya kena buat appointment kat Klinik Haiwan begitu lama??? ko suruh dia gi dulu.eheheheh!! tgk blh dapat tak minggu ni atau minggu depan.sebab durang punya schedule operation 2 minggu sekali je.yg nak operate ramai.Yan,klu ko nak gi Sabut depan akak blh pick up ko kat rmh.rmh ko dan akak bukan jauh.akak dok Tmn Shamelin,ko dok Bandar Tasik Permaisurui kan?? minggu depan Sabtu nak antar lg kucing stray gi kembiri kat Setapak.

budak tu saya la june...he..hee.. time tu la saya jumpa & kenal june...he..he..

[June]

heheheh!! betoi,betoi.time tu tak kenal nama lg.borak2 smp tak ingat nak tanya nama

skrg dah kenal dah eh??

Originally Posted by rieyna

budak tu saya la june...he..hee.. time tu la saya jumpa & kenal june...he..he..

[June]

Bro,aku ada baca ttg cerita ni.ttg kita jgn confuse kan kucing with our hands. I baca kat Borders,masa tu tak mampu beli.so duduk lama2 dan amik nota.masa mula2 start rescue kucing.

Originally Posted by FurKids

In cat training school, we are taught to use toys to
play with cats and use hands and fingers moving very, very slowly (they call dead man's hand) to touch and stroke cats. If they start to play with your hands and fingers, IMMEDIATELY STOP AND DO NOT MOVE YOUR FINGERS AND HANDS AT ALL. Any jerky or swift movements will excite the cat further. Then, very, very slowly, pull your hand away and wait till the cat calms down.

The cat must be trained to associate your hand and fingers with stroking and feeding and toys with playing, especially rough playing.

If you play with your cat using your hands and tease it, making it chase your hand to bite and grap with its claws, you are the one creating trouble and confusing your cat ... and then you go and snip the poor cat's claws! Itu buku ada cerita semua nie ... it has helped me tremendously to understand how animals behave and why and understand what I must always and what I must never do with an animal .... and never to think of them and expect them to behave like humans.

[rieyna]

Originally Posted by June

heheheh!! betoi,betoi.time tu tak kenal nama lg.borak2 smp tak ingat nak tanya nama

skrg dah kenal dah eh??

aah..la..ari tu sibuk borak2 tp tak tau nama pun...hee.hee.. hari ni saya tak keje...anak bulus saya kena serang dgn stray cat masa tgh bagi dia mkn rumput.....saya pun kena serang gak coz stray cat tu tak takutkan org pun... teruk gak la kucing saya tu kena, smpai takleh jalan... cian dia...