Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

hi cookie,
here the link http://forums.petfinder.my/showthrea...1452#post41452

here the sign of Boycott stores that sell Backyard breeder dogs and cats. NEVER buy anything from a pet store.

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/12/13/48/74/n4704110.jpg

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

em... i've been to one of the byb "FARM" accidently...{sweat}. it's some where in SHAH ALAM, me and my sis actually tot that the palce was a pet shop, but end up... we feel so sorry for allda dogs in tat palce.. most of them are poddles. The owner actually post an adv on petfinder's web, and with only RM350 then we can get one Poddle from them.. but end up they are selling T RM900.{angry} btw they only give 7days warranty for da puppys.

the place really scare the 2 of us{sick}... but still we tried to nego da price with da seller... just for fun by the end of da day we actually never buy any puppy from them... i'm just wonderin is there any ways tat we could report this kinda cases??? how...

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Jenn,
Thanks for sharing, At the moment not have a rule for saying pet shop cannot sell any cat or dog at Malaysia. Boycott stores that sell dogs and cats. Tell them that you are taking your business elsewhere until they stop selling dogs and cats.
what you can do is tell your friends NEVER buy a puppy or kitten from that pet store. NEVER buy anything from that pet store.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Hi my friends (those of you who are against BYB and shops that support byb by selling livestock - cats, dogs).

i was surprised to stumble upon this particular thread - finally this subject has been brought to light and at petfinder.my no less.

i have stopped buying from pet supplies stores (i'll call them that for that's what they are - selling pet supplies) that also sell livestocks (e.g. cats, dogs, etc). i know that to even give them 1 sen of my business would means supporting the BYB industry.

i wonder if talking about this at this forum is adequate or all ye bloggers out there also need to take up the battle at your own blogs.

i have wondered at the effectiveness of using this forum (www.petfinder.my) to raise awareness of such important issues as this when this very forum (www.petfinder.my) is promoting the byb industry by allowing them to post and promote their trades here.

i have faith in all your support and dedication to this important cause just doubtful about the appropriateness of this forum as a platform to spread the message.

i had a run-in with a byb and i wrote it here and also vociferously stated my stand against byb why i think they should be banned, etc and i was castigated by not only that byb but by her friends and supporters who have populated this forum down right to the people who purported to "patrol" this forum to ensure a minimum decency of opinion is maintained.

by all means, spread the message, i fully agree with you here. also byb need not rely solely on selling livestock to make a living, when times are lean, they may also resort to other "side-incomes" such as grooming, pet-sitting/boarding, etc.

my thought :

1. boycotting pet supplies stores that also sells livestock cos they support the byb industry (just like all of you have voiced out here)

aside from the above:

2. disclose, tell all, share your experience if have any run-ins with byb ...create awareness, you may think that "aiya, no need to create trouble lah, just don't want to talk to her /him will do"...so that people are aware who are the byb: i mean i'm sure the byb won't mind - why should you mind being exposed for being byb? you're a byb - you dare to be a byb, then dare to own up to it! {angry} and if your post is stopped by forum administrators/moderators, then you know the truth....


3. if you know a byb is also providing other services related to pets, boycot that, in short have nothing to do with them, and spread the words to your friends and acquantainces.

4. MAKE YOUR $$$ COUNTS AND MAKE YOUR $$$ SPEAKS FOR YOU

5. spread the message that WHEN THE BUYING/SELLING STOPS, SO WILL THE SUFFERING AND PERPETUATING OF THE CYCLE OF SUFFERING!

just my two cents {victory}

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Ashley,
Great for supported Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop. Our forum have people promotion as pet shop selling Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop? We should not step to their shop. Also they not allow for promotion in the thread. But we sure forum admin will take action to this people.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Hi dimb,

no thanks needed just doing my bit.

in my humble opinion, byb need not necessarily do their trade via pet supplies store, there are those that operate from their houses, i'm sure we have come across this -and i don't mean the registered breeders - i mean those who breed cats for profits, whether they breed the cats frequently or intermittently. some are a bit more thoughtful and considerate, even though caging their "livestocks" up, still provide adequate nutrition and ensure cats are healthy, etc (cos healthy cats fetch higher price) they are still bybs. they will argue they are not cruel to the animals, they give proper health care and nutrition to the animals therefore they are nnot byb....it's a matter of symantec they're arguing but they also missed the point - they are encouraging the vicious cycle of too many pets and too little responsible ownership - cos ultimately in the end, what they're concerned about is "bottomline". being nice to the cats ensure their bottomline is better that's all. that;s not true compassion and altruism for the welfare of animals. we're aiming for compassion and understanding and awareness, we recognises that not many human beings on this planet have genuine altruism for fellow sentient beings so we're not even asking for that. we're hoping for awareness and understand and in awareness and understanding hopefully compassion and kindness will be germinated.

they may even donate some money to charity and other pet rescuers cos they're not that cruel and they do love animals, however to this group of people, i do hope and wish that they too come around and understand that if they truly love animals as they claim, they too will not want animals to suffer (here we use cats and dogs as domesticated animal example), be it animals under their care or not under their care (abandonned, strays), for this very reason alone, they could help if they give up their business.

one can always make a living and earn an income by other proper means that do not create suffering for other sentient beings, we're given by means to do so by THe ALmighty, it need not be at the expense of others' suffering, whether human or animals or insect, etc, etc.


i see many offers to sell domestic pets on this forum and not all of them operate a pet supplies store. some are registered breeders, some are not ...

maybe our govt cannot or will regulate or restrict "commercial trade" in pets but at the very least it can formulate rules, regulations and guidance (or improve upon it) on welfare of animals, with clear definition, and clear-cut power to enforce and punish those who breached it...just a thought.

where there's demand there'll be supply that's why

WHEN THE BUYING STOP, SO WILL THE SUFFERING!

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

hi dimb,

also the arrangement to buy and see by byb at this forum need not be available to public purview - there's no rule on this on this forum - it's done through PM (private messaging).

so what you see is not always what you thought - and vice versa too...

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Ashley,
dont call them as breeder, I check with my friend at spain, he said here the breeder you talk about is not a breeder...it is called "dogseller", only sell dogs like other any thing...
is same as catseller too, they sell animal for living without after care the quality.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Since this has nothing to do with any Org, guess i'll just chip in...

I found out that there is a petshop at Subang Jaya that is selling silky's about RM1300. Microchiped with MKA. However, they are selling to their staff for RM500... i wonder how much is their cost...

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Hi Khengteik, long time didn't meet, yea. those dog for own breed, is free of cost. they still earn when sold as rm500. Those poeple no as breeder. they are dogseller.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

hi khengteik

hey, don't be afraid lah...{shy}

come join in the conversation.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

{victory} Right you are - will do from now onwards! {good}

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Hi, Now I have do introduced the soidog-foundation.org to Malaysia. Soi Dog Foundation is a not-for-profit, legally registered charitable organization, read more at http://forums.petfinder.my/showthrea...6286#post46286

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

there's also another reason i don't buy from pet supplies stores that sell livestock, i know they don't care about the health of their livestock (the cats and dogs) and neither do they really bother much about sanitation and hygiene of their shops - hence all stuff they sell there, especially those soft furnishings, cages, etc all not clean and hygienic.

call me paraonoid but there you have it - more reasons not to purchase from them.

hope to hear from more who also actively avoid buying from shops the sells cats, dogs, other animals.

is there a list of petshops that don't deal in livestocks compiled here? if yes, i'd like to have a look at it...i want to check them out, get their coordinates (gps) contribute the coordinates to the gps mapping community so that people with pnd can easily get to them - hah another way that i can contribute and do to help the cause

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Ashley,
at the moment we not do list up the pet shop, because it concern with people business and still have supporter support this shop. You know why, they can earn some comission when introduced someone buy cat or dog over there.
as long as inform friends or member dont go. that can said already good work.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Very... true, it is not always what you see is real here. Many BYB in here pretend to be pet lover & also many of their friends or supporters talk & act like true pet lover but yet firmly support this unethical breeder, this is what I call pure hypocrite. As long as this ppl choose to close their eyes or keep their mouth shut just bcoz they are their friends then all their pet loving declaration are bullshit. Remember you have the choice of your friends, why choose one who is cruel to animal as friend if you love them so much.

If you love them so much you shud stand up for them, expose this unethical breeder & their cruelty so that naive & innocent pet lover will not fall prey to this vulture.
We know who we are & we also know who they are.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

I want to add on to this....

I read from somewhere that a forum member here took her cat to this pet supplies shop for spaying. The owner had listed "simple surgery like spaying or neutering" as one of its services. The spaying job was badly done, the sutures ripped opened.

She took her cat back, and the cat was boarded for 5 days at extra charges. Then, she was told the cat has to be boarded for another week. She didn't want that, as she was getting real worried about her cat. She said she would go and pick up the cat herself from the "clinic" where the pet shop owner had sent her cat.

Imagine her shock when she saw the place.....it looked more like a breeding centre than a clinic.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

continue as below

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

What the horrible happen when heard this true story, How come pet supplies shop can be clinic? isn't from own kitten mill pretending to be a clinic? This spaying or neutering is very simple surgery operation.
From process the patient is anesthetized and the fur is removed at the surgery site to The skin sutures are in place and once healing has occured are removed in 8 to 12 days. This is the lesson for everyone, dont send your loving pet to those name as clinic under pet shop. Please bring to real animals clinic. Your pet value not just RM50, 100, it more than that.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

First of all this is what happen when you send your pet to a witch doctor to do the spaying. I always believe all veterinary job shud be done by a qualify vet. A pet shop shud focus on their retailing & a vet to his professional veterinary service.

I think this forum member shud expose this so call kitty mill cum veterinary to prevent other innocent ppl into sending their poor pets to maybe their last journey to the so call vet.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

This pet shop owner is an active member here, with supporters who claim loudly to anyone who would listen that they are anti-BYB, that they are animal rescuers.

but since it's not my personal experience to share, I shall mind my own business and refrain from revealing the name of the person or the shop.

I guess these days the best way to sell kittens is to open up a veterinary clinic and pet shop or partner with one if you're not both!! A perfect trading centre for cheap "pedigree" kittens, a very homogenous partnership.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

hello DIMB,
i'm doing a documentary film about this topic too!
totally support what u've stated above!
SAY NO TO PET SHOPS!

i need ur help on some info, but couldn't find the way to contact you,
is it possible if u give me ur contact? very sorry, but it's kinda urgent..
{wink}

- Regina

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

{nah}
well.. as of now, i'm not participating in anymore issues regarding any organizations or animal welfare group... this is because i feel that however i try to help in bringing up issues or giving logical and workable solutions, some quarters just do not like it... so its best to keep my knowledge to myself and keep my bloody big mouth shut.

anyways, back to pet shops issue, if i were to list down the petshops that i feel are just trying to make a quick buck or petshops that i think are back yard breeders supporters or even back yard breeders, 8 out of 10 pet shops that i have went to falls into one of these categories.

Have anyone tried going into pet shops when they are about to close? seriously the sight of it makes me wanna burn some of those shops down... Since there is enough cubicles to put all the dogs, u do not understand why some pet shops needs to remove the dogs from the cubicles, put them in small cages which are stacked up together like Eiffel Tower in a small room... the sound of those dogs whining when they see anyone walk pass is very disheartening...
There are also a few quite old pet shops at USJ that are even worse... (i guess they have been around quite some time as their advertisement board at the shop also badly faded already) imagine big breed dogs being put in a small cage... the cage is only like 1.5times bigger then the dog... yes, the dog can still turn its body around.. but it is in the cage 24/7.... not to mention the stench of the place.... damn bloody disgusting.....

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Hi Reginang,
Is great have the person like you supported Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop. Almost the pet shop at Malaysia have selling cat and dog, they are no as breeder, they calling dogseller or catseller. Almost those animals came from barkyard breeder.
this barkyard breeder going affect those genius quality breeder at Malaysia.
I tell you from quality, breed genetics control, after sale service, all is important. Don't just cheap get from Backyard breeder.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

what dimb say is quite true... unless the general public is EDUCATED, there is nothing we can really do about backyard breeders. this is because people will still get from backyard breeders as they are much more cheaper compared to real genuine breeders...

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Yea, we going do more education to public about Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop.
It can help reduce homeless animals too. We can start search from here. Let me point one of bigger selling network. that is not far away.
http://www.petfinder.my/listings.php?sortadopt=5

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

aihh.. looks like petfinder should also do something about this.... unless the admin still insists that selling of pups/animals here in petfinder is actually bringing in more viewers... if that is the case, i pity those homeless animals... cos the selling price here is definitely much cheaper then in petshops by 15-20%. {msurrender}

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

The beauty is.. sometime there are ppl who choose not to be educated or rather choose to be blinded bcoz this BYB are their friends. It's alright with me if this ppl choose to do so but don't try to portray your so call pet loving or rescue work here when you turn a blind eye to your unethical friends practice.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Without fear or favour, I am posting this out of my experience...

http://sillylupie.blogspot.com/2009/...on-garlic.html

http://sillylupie.blogspot.com/2009/...rustrated.html

This is my story .... a "copy and paste" out of an email I sent to a concerned forum member, maybe a little edit here and there ...

~~~

I sent Garlic to Pakcu on 1-May-09 for spaying ... yes, it was a promotion rate of RM 90 ... I thought, why not, it should be better since it is considered a "private" vet .

TIGER had a bad experience in Klinik Kembiri, that resulted in me forking out another RM 150 to fix, so I said to myself, aiya, send GARLIC to private - it should be better, wanted to send ONION there too but I thought I'd just see how it goes with GARLIC before deciding. At first, I was told that I should be able to pick her up on Friday (1-May-09) evening. However, I received a phone call in the afternoon that the VET can only fix her in the evening, so I can only take her home on Sat - he will call me.
(So, I end up sending ONION to SPCA-Kembiri on Saturday as I have no idea how GARLIC was doing.)

On Saturday he called and said he had a family emergency, so, I can only get GARLIC home on Sunday. We picked her up on Sunday morning, when I got home I was so shocked to see her sutures! It was long and rough (in my simple opinion). Reminds me of the job of a vet assistant in my hometown who charges rm30! This is rm90 I paid! I didn't have a good feeling but was praying that it will be okay!

3-May-09, I sms'ed' and told him that the wound looks wet and if the thread need to be removed? (because it doesn't look like the one that would dissolve itself.) - He said need not remove, leave it for 2 days not to worry.

So, I waited ....

7-May-09 (morning) I sms'ed' him and said "Garlic's wound dont look good. A bit reddish and open at the end"
He replied and said it is normal, that reddish is caused by GARLIC licking her wound. Asked that I apply yellow lotion and medic collar. I did just that...
7-May-09 (evening) I sms'ed' him and said wound don't look normal. He said he will ask vet ...

I waited... waited.... nothing...
In the evening, I asked hubby to send GARLIC to Baby Pets but unfortunately, they were closed. This is on the 8-May-09.

9-May-09, I sms'ed in the morning saying that GARLIC is not getting better and what did the vet said. He said he will get the vet to call me in the afternoon. The vet called and asked that I send GARLIC in to Pakcu again ... which I did in the evening.

Sun, Mon ... no news, so I called the vet and he said has to board GARLIC for 5 days and put her on anti-biotic ... (and rm165!!) ... I relented and hope for the best! Tues, Wed, Thurs ... still no news, I be tahan, called Pakcu, he didn't answer, so sms'ed' him and ask about GARLIC ... so he replied and said need to cage for another "week"!!! I cannot tahan and say I want to see the vet, so... I demand to know the vet clinic and pick her up myself .... guess where it was ? In Shah Alam, Imadi Pet Clinic - was shocked at the mass breeding of cats of all breeds.... I chit chat with him, Ismail but deep inside I wasn't very happy! It doesn't look like a clinic to me at all, more like a kitten mill ...

Link to the clinic's website : http://www.freewebs.com/imakatz/imadipetclinic.htm

Ismail said GARLIC over-groomed herself that's why her sutures didn't heal as expected.

I'll let you guys/gals be the judge of it ...

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Lupie, thanks for sharing your experience here. {{{hugs}}}

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Hear ye!! Hear ye!! *thumping the table*

Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

I'm utterly dissappointed. I can't describe my feeling. I've done some digging on Imadi's Pet.This shop is infact BYB. I got to know from forumer friend, he approached her and said it is easy to make money by breeding cats. With the profit he can buy ped cat. {ohmygod}{ohmygod} Should open another Hall of shame thread on this??

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

One question: Is there an actual, certified veterinarian at this place (Imadi Pet Shop) doing the spay surgery? {cry2}{cry2}

Lupie's experience suggests incompetence; the idea of someone who is not actually a certified vet trying to administer general anesthesia and perform surgery is downright horrifying.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

I sent Garlic to Pakcu on 1-May-09 for spaying ... yes, it was a promotion rate of RM 90 ... I thought, why not, it should be better since it is considered a "private" vet .

This have concern with Pakcu pet shop always do promotion at petfinder.my?
http://forums.petfinder.my/showthrea...t=1349&page=70

Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Amanda, I doubt they are certified vet.

Clement, Pakcu have to come forward and come clean with what had happened.This is his reputation we talking abt.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Yes, Clement, it is Pakcu Usual Pet Shop.

Based on the list of services provided, http://forums.petfinder.my/showpost....57&postcount=1
I would say probably the "vet" is not a qualified one. But this can be easily checked, I'm sure.

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

I agree, June. Could you do that? For poor Garlic?

Re: Campaign Stop puppy and kitten Backyard breeder do trade through Pet Shop
 

Getting spay surgery by unqualified vet, that's very risky. Are them willing to take that risk? i've seen pets loose their lives because their owner didn't want something bought from a real vet.