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lynielime 09-24-2008 11:47 AM

Feeding My Kittens
 
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Originally Posted by herher (Post 11844)
hi, can i bring at least 2 kittens? i just found them yesterday in a lorong behind a cafe in uptown. they are 5 of them, i went to the vet, will bring them back for check up in a week time.

vet said they can eat dry food but turn out they only fancy canned food{sweat}
my room(renting outside myself) is not cat-proof, they're all in two boxes (3 & 2), put litter sand inside too. one of them is really really skinny which worried me
{sick}

hi herher
wow 5 foster kittens in your bedroom is a lot to handle! what you're doing is wonderful and its so great of you to bring them all to the vet. if the little kitties won't eat the dry food, maybe you can try mixing it with a spoonful of the canned food. that's what i did to get my foster kittens to eat the dry food.. i keep putting less and less canned food until they are just eating totally dry food and they don't even realize it.. i think all that canned food must be quite smelly in your room but it sounds like you're coping well. good luck!

ashleywong 09-24-2008 05:31 PM

Re: Pet Adoption Drive - Bangsar Village, Oct 4
 
hi herher

oh, maybe the kibbles are too hard for the kitten's baby teeth. that happened to me too when i found my kittens. too hard for them to crunch. you can add a bit of water to soften it or like what lynie suggested, add some canned food to the kibbles in gradually lessening amount.

herher 09-24-2008 09:56 PM

Re: Pet Adoption Drive - Bangsar Village, Oct 4
 
i did add in canned food to the dry food but they're smart... {sick} they will leave the rest alone and keep meowing for more canned food..

ya, my room kinda smells due to the canned food and kittens, vet said not to clean them but its ok to wipe them right? well, i did.. they're smell are too strong. hopefully i can bring for a once and for all grooming and from then its much easier to clean them (just found out they have fleas!)

hmm, good idea mayb i should soak them! tq! {muacks}

wanted to adopt at least one from the listing seen some of u are going for the drive :) will God knows it better i guess and thank goodness they're not aggressive and all. came back from The Pet Family after class, 2 were outside the box but they didnt wonder around or go under the bed, sat beside the box waiting for me to feed them {mfeelgood}

bought ear mite remedy (bf did some research too {victory}), scoop for poo, repellent for after they get clean up and walk freely in my room, canned food and more canned food ><

one prob tho, they like to turn the water bowl over {ohmygod} which wet the box and litter sand!! wanna replace the water for them (they're quite heaty, i wonder why) but it goes again and again. is it ok i only give them water when i feed them and take the water out? and im suppose to feed them 4 times a day right?

ashleywong 09-25-2008 02:23 PM

Re: Pet Adoption Drive - Bangsar Village, Oct 4
 
hi herher

1) water bowl - not sure what type of water bowl you bought for them - perhaps it is too high at the sides causing them to climb on it and tip it over? or that the vessel is too light? another way is to put a those shallow aluminium baking tray underneath the water bowl so it the water bowl is tipped over, the water is collected inside the tray

please give fresh water to your kittens. it's advisable even for adult cats. cats are very fastidious animals. they will not drink if the water surface has something on it (i.e. their fur, etc)


2) if you want to mix in canned food, put the amount of kibble you want in a small container (the smaller the better), next spoon in the amount of canned food you want to use onto of the kibble, next using the bottom of your spoon (the convex part), mash down on the canned food until it is properly "lumat" (if it is in chunk type), then mix the kibble and the canned food around and around until both properly mix. you can't just give it a few whisk it won't do. that's the trick i used for my anna - she's so good at going for the fish chunk rather than kibble.

if you're soaking the kibble with water, pls bear in mind that after awhile, the softened kibble will dry up.

3) leaving food out for them, if you can afford to feed them several times a day then by all means do it (i.e. you're at home). if not then it is suggested to provide them free choice (meaning leaving the food out for them the whole day and topping it up when it's low).


4) bathing kitten - actually i'm not sure whether this should be done or how - i only gave my cats their 1st bath just before going for the neutery surgery and sometimes they smelled a bit.

what you can do is wipe them down but make sure you rinse your towel/cloth in warm water (hotter than lukewarm) but remember to do a dip test to check on water temperature. from what i read, a cat can sense temperature only on their nose and their paw pad, they can't really sense increase in temperature that well anyway on their body so pls make sure your bath water is not too hot for them. wiping them down is more advisable as this will help reduce risk of them catching cold.

if you make it a habit of "grooming" them, i.e. giving them freqeuent wipe-down, it may help you to bond with them and familiarise themselves with being handled by human. when "grooming", pls also make it a point to gently check their ears, their gums and teeth, their paw pads, run your hand gently through their furs all over their body, to see if there's any bumps or cuts or odd stuff sticking to them. check if there's any flea faeces leftover on their skin and in their fur - dots of black or dark brown.

maybe they smell because they dirtied when they poo2 and didn't know how to clean themselves up.


5) for the fleas problem, if you're thinking of using a flea solution, and if you have a vet to visit, pls get advise from your vet whether you can use the flea solution on the kitten (seems like can only use them when they're of a certain age and of a certain weight, something like that but can't remember exactly how and what).

6) germisep - a very very useful "tool". it's actually disinfectant in tablet form and it's safe for animals and humans. widely used by those in animal industry including animal hospital, etc (according to the brochure). it's in tablet form, it will dissolve in water, you mix up one tablet with one big bottle of water (like your 1.5l or 2l coke bottle) and from there you can portion out any quantity you want to use and dilute this amount further for your use. it will last a long long time. and it's good for wiping down your room and even your kittens (pls make sure you dilute it even further). you can add the diluted amount to your moping water, spray upon surfaces and let air dry, etc, etc.

the whole bottle of germispe is expensive but i bought it loose - Rm6 for 20 tablets. and it lasts me a long time.

6) please don't use repellent or air freshener - if possible because the chemical in the air freshener may irritate the kitten's nose, i know this is a tall order. can you try to find other alternative? if you need to use air-freshener, and if it's not too expensive, try to use those freshener sold at pet shop meant to be used for animals too.

for myself, i spray diluted germisep into the air around their litter box..the smell will disperse in a while.

if your kittens are consistently having runny poo, pls observe for signs of illnessess.

that's all i can think of to "scare" you for now {shy}

ashleywong 09-25-2008 02:26 PM

Re: Pet Adoption Drive - Bangsar Village, Oct 4
 
hi andy/ezer

if our posts on herher's kitten is "off tangent" from the original post of adoption drive please help us move it to the appropriate section in petfinder.my

thanks{good}

AndyKoh 09-25-2008 03:09 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
Ashley, I've moved this post to a new thread "Feeding My Kittens" in the relevant category as requested.

ashleywong 09-25-2008 05:47 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
Hi andy

thanks. this is great. at least the postings in the adoption drive will stay on that topic and newcomers or readers will won't to wade through different topics under that thread.

thanks

herher 09-26-2008 01:49 AM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
Thanks ashley and lynie! :)

Well just to ask a few more questions,

On the repellent, it's actually to make sure my kittens don't go to areas that i don't want them to. I actually tried spraying and it seems that it has no effect whatsoever on them. What do you use to make sure your cat doesn't go to forbidden areas?

I also discovered that my kittens has ear mites as I used the earmite remedy on them. However, I doubt that I entirely cleared the ear mites from them as I'm not sure how deep I can insert the cotton bud into their ears. I don't wanna hurt them! Please guide me on how to treat them carefully.

On hygiene, since they are stray, they are still quite dirty after a few days of trying to clean them up. You can literally see the difference of fur colour caused by the dirt. I tried wiping them but with room temperature water, still the dirt sticks to their fur. Is there any other method besides wiping them with hot water? I have problems with preparing hot water.. :S

I also have problems with their food portions for one meal. How to know how much is enough for them? A rough measurement (a size of an oreo, a size of a donut.. etc. for one kitten)? I worry that I may feed them too little or too much..

On a good note, I bought royal canin for my kittens and they're happily chewing on them! :D Is there any other recommendations? And where to find Accana and Ojine (Sorry if i got the spelling wrong).

Thanks in advance! God bless!

A note for Ashley, I rather want more information than you scaring me {shy}

ashleywong 09-26-2008 09:44 AM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
hi herher

we're all pleased that you're doing your best to help your kittens even though they may be temporarily staying with you.

i'm afraid i can't advice you on how to clean the ears because i always get my vet to do it for us. let me see if i can remember what my vet said about ear cleaning. the ear has its own mechanism of cleaning up and the ear wax will move out, we don't really need to clean it up that such because the cat will help each other groom itself. if there's a lot of wax buildup until you can really see it, it's a sign of mites or something like that - suspected but a vet can verify this by using an ear equipment to check the ear.

if you want to clean up the ear, try not poking the inner ear with sharp objects and not even dull objects like cotton bud. use cotton bud to clear the outer area gently and moist the cotton bud a bit. just clear out the extra gunk don't dig deep inside. then use the ear mite solution you have. you need to use it consistently.

that's why if possible try to get vet advisable for this mite problem. the solution you buy over the counter at pet shops may not be that effective. mite problem can be persistent. as to whether the mites can hide and survive anywhere else other than on the kitten, i'm afraid i don't know that much. perhaps other forumers here can advise?

aaaah,...your kittens didn't learn from its mommy how to groom themselevs. well, then you need to be their mommy and show them. well, you don't lick them.. {shy} but after you wiped them down, you can mime grooming and licking yourself on your hand and using your hand as if a paw, mime the motion of grooming your face and licking your hand.

that's how i communicated with ginger when he came back after dissapearing for 5 months. he was scared out of his mind of human beings but he came home all the same. we managed to cage him and he was so afraid we couldn't approach him to groom him. so we mimed grooming and licking and after he watched us, he groomed himself and looked so much better after that. it's worth a try.

at the back of the food bag, there's always suggested / recommended feeding guidelines by manufacturer. you can try following that if you have something to measure with.

oh btw, if you pass by any pet shop and they sell science hill you can always ask for a measuring cup. they give for each purchase of science hill but you just ask for one , don't have to buy, if they won't give, just say you have bought one last week and you weren't given the cup.

another alternative is to leave the food out for the kittens the whole day, give them lots of food in bowls and just top up when they finish.

as for orijen / acana, may i know where you're residing? at least we can tell you whether the shops we patronise is close enough to you.

i'm humbled that you think i can help you..but i feel more scared that i might tell you the wrong thing {sweat}

Bareen 09-26-2008 11:16 AM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
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I also discovered that my kittens has ear mites as I used the earmite remedy on them. However, I doubt that I entirely cleared the ear mites from them as I'm not sure how deep I can insert the cotton bud into their ears. I don't wanna hurt them! Please guide me on how to treat them carefully.
Cat's ear channel are in "L" shape compare to human that is straight. You dont have to worry about damaging the cat's ear drum as you cant reach it that easy. One you feel you had reach the corner, that is your limit but make sure to use cotton bud made for baby.

On ear mite, have your cat ear clean and you can spray FrontLine to the ear. When bathing, clean the ear using medicated shampoo.



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On hygiene, since they are stray, they are still quite dirty after a few days of trying to clean them up. You can literally see the difference of fur colour caused by the dirt. I tried wiping them but with room temperature water, still the dirt sticks to their fur. Is there any other method besides wiping them with hot water? I have problems with preparing hot water.. :S
A good shampoo will do the trick. Just get them use to bathing and you stop worry about whether to use hot or cold tap water. When come to bathing, dont spoilt your kitten too much, you may end up hurting yourself when they grow up.

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I also have problems with their food portions for one meal. How to know how much is enough for them? A rough measurement (a size of an oreo, a size of a donut.. etc. for one kitten)? I worry that I may feed them too little or too much..
For kitten, it best to give them free feed. For a kitten, there's no such thing as too much or too little. When your cat turn adult then you can start worry about what to feed, how much to feed, when to feed. Just keep the bowl filled at all time. Use bowl made of ceramic or steel as it heavier.

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On a good note, I bought royal canin for my kittens and they're happily chewing on them! :D Is there any other recommendations? And where to find Accana and Ojine (Sorry if i got the spelling wrong).
As stray, a cat digestive system is very different from indoor cat. Go easy on commercial food. If you find your kitten ok with one brand, stay with it. If you need to change, do it gradually by mixing old brand with new brand over a week.

Monitor your kitten's poo poo with the food you feeding them. This will help you manage your kitties litterbox and help you keep smelly odour off your home.

ashleywong 09-27-2008 10:05 AM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
hi bareen

thanks for sharing on how to clean the ears of cats - are you sure you're not a vet lurking here? {shy}

Bareen 09-27-2008 11:16 AM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
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Originally Posted by ashleywong (Post 12436)
hi bareen

thanks for sharing on how to clean the ears of cats - are you sure you're not a vet lurking here? {shy}

I am just a humble IT person and not even close to a vet.

With 8 cats at home, I hardly use cotton bud to clean their ear. For my four 5 month old kittens, I never use cotton bud on their ears.

Just rub a little FrontLine on the kitten's ears when they are still very young. This will help to prevent mites infection on it initial stage. Nursing mother ears had to be treated too.

When ear chankers/mites had infected the ear, it almost impossible for not to clean the ear as those oily sticky wax tend to buildup with time.

Always check on the cat's ears for lumps. Healthy ears feel even and soft. If you sense lumps or harden skin on the ears, it a sign of mite infection. Immediately apply the ear with FrontLine. Or you can use Troy's Rascar Medicated shampoo, dilute with water apply externally around the ear.

ashleywong 09-29-2008 09:47 AM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
is it safe to apply frontline on nursing queen's ears?

the diluted shampoo method - won't the cat ingest it when it grooms itself? if is safe for ingestion? just a thought

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bareen (Post 12441)
I am just a humble IT person and not even close to a vet.

With 8 cats at home, I hardly use cotton bud to clean their ear. For my four 5 month old kittens, I never use cotton bud on their ears.

Just rub a little FrontLine on the kitten's ears when they are still very young. This will help to prevent mites infection on it initial stage. Nursing mother ears had to be treated too.

When ear chankers/mites had infected the ear, it almost impossible for not to clean the ear as those oily sticky wax tend to buildup with time.

Always check on the cat's ears for lumps. Healthy ears feel even and soft. If you sense lumps or harden skin on the ears, it a sign of mite infection. Immediately apply the ear with FrontLine. Or you can use Troy's Rascar Medicated shampoo, dilute with water apply externally around the ear.


Bareen 09-29-2008 02:12 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
on Rascar usage instruction, after 1st shampoo, the 2nd repeat shampoo should not be rinse completely. To avoid cat smallow access water, completely dry them up using hairdryer. Rinsing thoroughly when using medicated shampoo is a very common mistake. Worse if follow by normal shampoo. Mistake with a good intention.
FrontLine on nursing mother can be apply on the head and tail, not on the tummy. It safe on newborn too. Spray on beding will help too.

filinlee 10-08-2008 08:13 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
Hye..wanna tumpang ur thread here...

when can i feed my 3-4 weeks old kittens soaked kibbles..? are they old enuff or do i have to wait...

ashleywong 10-08-2008 11:11 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
hi filinlee

no problem, appropriate question boleh tumpang,

let me see, what i've learned from my vet and from speaking to people who has fostered small kittens.

3-4 weeks kittens - if it is still nursing and prefer to nurse, let it nurse...the kitten will automatically learn to eat food (other than milk) from observing its mother.

however if you wish to train it to take on food, you can do so but only if you let it continue to nurse for milk because kittens are vulnerable this early stage and needs its mother milk for the protein it needs - it is better than what commercial kitten food can provide.

have said this, if you wish to try to wean it,what you can do is soak the kibble with water or AD canned food (hill science), mass it so it is easy to eat and chew and digest.

then offer to kitten, if it eats, then fine, it not let the kitten be. let the queen eat it up, no point in keeping the food in hope the kitten will eat it up so as not to waste.

my vet advised using AD because it contains higher protein and in very "lumat" form other canned food may contain traces of meat that kitten doesn't know how to chew yet. also don;t make it too dry a paste. i think you know how to adjust

above all, please don't use cow's milk. it is not safe for kitten. cats are lactose intolerance and taking cow milk can lead to diarrhea which can be fatal in kittens.

so go with the flow, don't rush it and just observe and let nature take its course

are you going to wean your kitten so that your cat can help nurse lynie's kittens?

so sad, lynie told me one of the kittens died. left only two now.

hope i'm giving you proper advice, you better ask for second opinion too. why not call and ask your vet?

filinlee 10-09-2008 07:51 PM

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ooo...i think i'll buy ad... ehehe... but not now.. tried yesterday.. but they dun wan... all they think now is how to get out of the cage...n hanging all over the cage climbing here and there like monkeys... screaming their heads of like hyenas...ahahahha.. couldnt sleep at all.... {cry}

Bareen 10-09-2008 11:54 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
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Originally Posted by filinlee (Post 13399)
ooo...i think i'll buy ad... ehehe... but not now.. tried yesterday.. but they dun wan... all they think now is how to get out of the cage...n hanging all over the cage climbing here and there like monkeys... screaming their heads of like hyenas...ahahahha.. couldnt sleep at all.... {cry}

Anak kucing aku sebaya ngan awak punya. Lom reti makan lagi jugak. Tapi aku notice dia dah pee dalam litterbox. Tadi aku catch dia cuba kunyah kertas litter. Esok start nak bagi kitten kibble yg dikisar halus camqur KRM.

Celis 10-10-2008 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bareen (Post 13427)
Anak kucing aku sebaya ngan awak punya. Lom reti makan lagi jugak. Tapi aku notice dia dah pee dalam litterbox. Tadi aku catch dia cuba kunyah kertas litter. Esok start nak bagi kitten kibble yg dikisar halus camqur KRM.

Bareen my fren, one q, even im not having any kittens and just for my knowledge sake..is KRM milk replacement easily found in Kuching?In JB i never seen in any pet shops...KL been try to look and couldn.t found in few pet shops too..bareen or anyone..pls let me know, if they are selling KRM anywhere...tq

Bareen 10-10-2008 09:51 AM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
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Originally Posted by Celis (Post 13442)
Bareen my fren, one q, even im not having any kittens and just for my knowledge sake..is KRM milk replacement easily found in Kuching?In JB i never seen in any pet shops...KL been try to look and couldn.t found in few pet shops too..bareen or anyone..pls let me know, if they are selling KRM anywhere...tq


There's few brand I noticed available at my regular petshop, Troy's Animalac Plus, Petalac and Neu Zea. Problem is, these KMR brand are not available all together at all time i.e if Neu Zea is on the shelf, Petalac or Animalac wont be available. If Animalac is available, the others aren't. There's no choice if one really need KMR. The last purchase I made was Petalac

filinlee 10-10-2008 10:11 AM

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bareen.. diorang nih dah jadik hyper.. so aku bg lepas ngn mak nya.. chiko aku letak dalam cage.. kalo x jadik drama nages menangis karang... eheheh {shy} baru la diorang senyap... pening pala aku di buatnya... diorang x mau makan lagi... poo pee pon x der.. tapi masa smlm dia tengok mak dia makan dia pon nak ikot sama.. dia jilat2 bekas makan tuh.. amik essence dia.. ehehhe....biler bg makanan tuh dia x mau lak makan...

ada idea x? rasa macam emot dah kekeringan susu... macam mana nak menambahkan susu dia lagik?

p/s : kawan2 sesaper ada botol susu kucen x? nak pinjam... {shy}

Bareen 10-10-2008 11:05 AM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by filinlee (Post 13471)
bareen.. diorang nih dah jadik hyper.. so aku bg lepas ngn mak nya.. chiko aku letak dalam cage.. kalo x jadik drama nages menangis karang... eheheh {shy} baru la diorang senyap... pening pala aku di buatnya... diorang x mau makan lagi... poo pee pon x der.. tapi masa smlm dia tengok mak dia makan dia pon nak ikot sama.. dia jilat2 bekas makan tuh.. amik essence dia.. ehehhe....biler bg makanan tuh dia x mau lak makan...

ada idea x? rasa macam emot dah kekeringan susu... macam mana nak menambahkan susu dia lagik?

p/s : kawan2 sesaper ada botol susu kucen x? nak pinjam... {shy}

Anak-anak Hijra masih dalam cage lagi. Main sesama sendiri, tak pulak dia bising kalau Hijra takda dalam cage. Tunggu sampai umo 2 bulan baru lepas main kat luar cage.

Kalau ada KMR, awak bagi kat Emot. Campur ngan kibble dia atau minum direct. Puting kucing perlu di stimulate untuk hasilkan susu. Kalau anak-anak berhenti menghisap susu, susu akan kering. Puting Hijra cuma 3 saja yang hasilkan susu sebab anak-anak dia menyusu pada puting yang sama tiap kali, so puting yang lain tu merajuk dan stop production.

Cuba bagi kibble yang direndam air suam dan dilenyek hancur. Aku kisar dan campur ngan KMR kibble untk anak kucing. Cuma bagi yang hancur dalam seminggu cam tu lepas tu aku bagi kibble kitten biasa tapi aku pecah kecik-kecik. Bila dah reti mengunyah, baru aku bagi kibble kitten yang biasa.

filinlee 10-10-2008 11:45 AM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bareen (Post 13490)
Anak-anak Hijra masih dalam cage lagi. Main sesama sendiri, tak pulak dia bising kalau Hijra takda dalam cage. Tunggu sampai umo 2 bulan baru lepas main kat luar cage.

Kalau ada KMR, awak bagi kat Emot. Campur ngan kibble dia atau minum direct. Puting kucing perlu di stimulate untuk hasilkan susu. Kalau anak-anak berhenti menghisap susu, susu akan kering. Puting Hijra cuma 3 saja yang hasilkan susu sebab anak-anak dia menyusu pada puting yang sama tiap kali, so puting yang lain tu merajuk dan stop production.

Cuba bagi kibble yang direndam air suam dan dilenyek hancur. Aku kisar dan campur ngan KMR kibble untk anak kucing. Cuma bagi yang hancur dalam seminggu cam tu lepas tu aku bagi kibble kitten biasa tapi aku pecah kecik-kecik. Bila dah reti mengunyah, baru aku bagi kibble kitten yang biasa.


maaf yer.. KMR tuh apa dia??macam mana nak stimulate... rasanya sumer puting dia dak2 cik nih isap.. takder yang tinggal pon.... {shy}

filinlee 10-10-2008 01:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bareen (Post 13490)
Anak-anak Hijra masih dalam cage lagi. Main sesama sendiri, tak pulak dia bising kalau Hijra takda dalam cage. Tunggu sampai umo 2 bulan baru lepas main kat luar cage.

Kalau ada KMR, awak bagi kat Emot. Campur ngan kibble dia atau minum direct. Puting kucing perlu di stimulate untuk hasilkan susu. Kalau anak-anak berhenti menghisap susu, susu akan kering. Puting Hijra cuma 3 saja yang hasilkan susu sebab anak-anak dia menyusu pada puting yang sama tiap kali, so puting yang lain tu merajuk dan stop production.

Cuba bagi kibble yang direndam air suam dan dilenyek hancur. Aku kisar dan campur ngan KMR kibble untk anak kucing. Cuma bagi yang hancur dalam seminggu cam tu lepas tu aku bagi kibble kitten biasa tapi aku pecah kecik-kecik. Bila dah reti mengunyah, baru aku bagi kibble kitten yang biasa.


maaf yer.. KMR tuh apa dia??macam mana nak stimulate... rasanya sumer puting dia dak2 cik nih isap.. takder yang tinggal pon.... {shy}

Bareen 10-10-2008 01:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by filinlee (Post 13503)
maaf yer.. KMR tuh apa dia??macam mana nak stimulate... rasanya sumer puting dia dak2 cik nih isap.. takder yang tinggal pon.... {shy}

KMR, kitten milk replacement, susu gantian utk anak kucing. Kucing aku dah start makan ari nih, genap sebulan umo mereka. Kibble dikisar halus campur susu suam..

filinlee 10-10-2008 01:43 PM

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owh..paham..paham.. thanks bareen.. nnt balik keje nak cari la kitten milk tuh.. arituh ada beli.. tapi x ingat da kat mana... x per la.. beli baru jer la...

Lyn_Cat 10-10-2008 02:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bareen (Post 13463)
There's few brand I noticed available at my regular petshop, Troy's Animalac Plus, Petalac and Neu Zea. Problem is, these KMR brand are not available all together at all time i.e if Neu Zea is on the shelf, Petalac or Animalac wont be available. If Animalac is available, the others aren't. There's no choice if one really need KMR. The last purchase I made was Petalac

Lyn pun belikan kitten Lyn yg dlm kotak dah siap bancuh tu...same company with Petalac. kalo utk yg serbuk, i prefer Neu Zea, Petalac susu serbuk mcm tak best plak..

catz 10-19-2008 08:28 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
Hello, everybody… {happy} I am new in handling kittens so I need ur suggestion about feeding a kitten… This morning I found a newborn kitten abandoned by her mother. I am not sure how old she is: she has opened her eyes, grown fur, can’t stand yet, and can’t drink milk on its own. So I decided to bottle-feed her. I use Petalac and I do research on internet on how to bottle-feed a kitten (http://cats.about.com/cs/kittencare/ht/bottlefeed.h) and I follow every step but she always rejects the nipple. {cry2} Only when I raise half the body (the head and two front paws) and succeed to push the nipple into her mouth then she start to drink, but it lasted for a while only (2sec) and she reject to drink. So I always repeated to chase the mouth with the nipple. And she did drink few times and urinating when I rub her anus with a damp clothe and she fall asleep. Isn't that every normal kitten will not reject to drink? Is wht I did wrong? I am so worried {sick} I did take her to vet and the doctor say she is fine. Wht other things I need to do? She always call for her mom (It’s quite loud and I scared will bother other people at night). Wht must I do? {sick}

First of all, thank you very much for your suggestion.{happy}

Bareen 10-19-2008 09:21 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
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Originally Posted by catz (Post 14830)
Hello, everybody… {happy} I am new in handling kittens so I need ur suggestion about feeding a kitten… This morning I found a newborn kitten abandoned by her mother. I am not sure how old she is: she has opened her eyes, grown fur, can’t stand yet, and can’t drink milk on its own. So I decided to bottle-feed her. I use Petalac and I do research on internet on how to bottle-feed a kitten (http://cats.about.com/cs/kittencare/ht/bottlefeed.h) and I follow every step but she always rejects the nipple. {cry2} Only when I raise half the body (the head and two front paws) and succeed to push the nipple into her mouth then she start to drink, but it lasted for a while only (2sec) and she reject to drink. So I always repeated to chase the mouth with the nipple. And she did drink few times and urinating when I rub her anus with a damp clothe and she fall asleep. Isn't that every normal kitten will not reject to drink? Is wht I did wrong? I am so worried {sick} I did take her to vet and the doctor say she is fine. Wht other things I need to do? She always call for her mom (It’s quite loud and I scared will bother other people at night). Wht must I do? {sick}

First of all, thank you very much for your suggestion.{happy}

Kitten cries when they are hungry. You need to feedthem every 2 hours and everytime they cry. It ok if they just drink a little and sleep after that. Dont force feed them else the milk will get inside their lung. If you have problem using nipple and bottle, use small stringe (spelling??).

Are you using powser or liquid Petalac? Powder Petalac is not suitable as it powder tend to build up in the kitten's mouth and can cause chocking. My vet recommended to use Ducth Lady full cream milk if having problem with kitten milk replacer. I never try Ducth Lady with my cat but that the vet recommendadtion. Last month, my 3 newborn abandoned after birth kittens died after feeding with powder Petalac. I dont meant to scare you but merely share my experience.

Urinating after each feeding is good but when feed with milk other than the cat mother milk, the kitten might poo poo too. This a good sign, dont worry about it.

Probably the kitten is over 10 days as the eyes are open. By 30 days, it can start eating and drinking by its own. Make sure it get plenty of sleep and less crying. If you could find a foster mother, this would be the best.

Good luck....

ashleywong 10-20-2008 10:54 AM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
hi catz

just to tag on my two cents - be sure you keep the kitten warm using towel or cloth but make sure it also does't suffocate. the poor wants warmth and food.

well, i'm suprise your vet recommended you use cow's milk as cow's milk is generaly not advised for feeding kitten as most kittens get diarrhea from drinking cow's milk.

otherwise, you can use goat's milk in a jiffy.

iv'e never had the occasion to feed a small kitten - actually yes, there was a kitten but the poor thing was so dehydrated we fed it diluted ID with a syringe.
good luck

catz 10-20-2008 02:43 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
Thank you for all your suggestion...to bareen, ashleywong, and petfinder team.

The kitten is doing good. She drink more and urinate more. Tht's why she smells so bad. Can I wash her bottom with warm water and dry with towel and hair dryer (Phillips, not very hot)? and do I have to apply Frontline at her ears?

dear, Bareen. I agree with Ashleywong tht cow milk is not suitable because I read in a article b4 that we must not feed kitten with cow milk as it contain lactose that kitten can't diggest. So I feed them with Petalac. I ask the experienced assistant in Pet Safari, she said tht I can feed with Petalac but make sure to mix more quantity of water. But ur experience really open my eyes. So beside Petalac wht other brand of KRM that you use? do you have a foster mother for her?

Dear ashleywong, wht is it mean by 'jiffy' and 'ID'?

thank you.

ashleywong 10-20-2008 03:04 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
Hi catz

ID is a prescription canned pet food for cat - for cats that have constipation/ diarrhea or is dehydrated. It is usually bought at veterinary clinics as these are considered prescription diet and are only sold under vet's "prescription".

since you mentioned that the kitten was rescued, i thought you may need to know there's food option for dehydrated situation.

"jiffy" means in a hurry, or at a moment's notice especially when the timing is such that all commercial petshop or veterinary clinics are closed and you need "kitten replacement milk" so goat's milk is the nearest to "hypoallergenic" milk you can get for kittens - hmm, i haven't tried this before cos so far didn't manage to rescue kittens but if you need to try mamak's stall or 24hrs indian restaurant - they might have some. besure if you buy it, it is unadulterated - meaning nothing added to it like milk or sugar, etc.

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Originally Posted by catz (Post 14935)
Dear ashleywong, wht is it mean by 'jiffy' and 'ID'?

thank you.


Bareen 10-20-2008 04:17 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by catz (Post 14935)
Thank you for all your suggestion...to bareen, ashleywong, and petfinder team.

The kitten is doing good. She drink more and urinate more. Tht's why she smells so bad. Can I wash her bottom with warm water and dry with towel and hair dryer (Phillips, not very hot)? and do I have to apply Frontline at her ears?

dear, Bareen. I agree with Ashleywong tht cow milk is not suitable because I read in a article b4 that we must not feed kitten with cow milk as it contain lactose that kitten can't diggest. So I feed them with Petalac. I ask the experienced assistant in Pet Safari, she said tht I can feed with Petalac but make sure to mix more quantity of water. But ur experience really open my eyes. So beside Petalac wht other brand of KRM that you use? do you have a foster mother for her?

Dear ashleywong, wht is it mean by 'jiffy' and 'ID'?

thank you.

True, cow milk is not suitable but do you know the different between Fresh Milk and Full Cream Milk? Susu Cap Junjung? Evaporate milk? They are lots of cases a rescued kitten survived when feed with Susu Cap Junjung, Full Cream Milk and evaporate milk. Fresh Milk is not good. Goat milk is good but it not readily available at all time. In Kuching, there no fresh goat milk and here we dont have mamak stall serving goat milk.

Beside Petalac, there are Animalac and Neu Zea. If the kitten accept Petalac, stay with it.

filinlee 10-20-2008 09:37 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
kucen2 aku x mau makan soaked kibbles... its either dry kibbles atau wet food,... ada sekor tuh si huga nak minum susu mak dia jer.. lain x mau.. tapi emot dah cam kering.. da bagi milk replacer tapi cam x mau jugak.. macam mana? {ohmygod}

Bareen 10-20-2008 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by filinlee (Post 15051)
kucen2 aku x mau makan soaked kibbles... its either dry kibbles atau wet food,... ada sekor tuh si huga nak minum susu mak dia jer.. lain x mau.. tapi emot dah cam kering.. da bagi milk replacer tapi cam x mau jugak.. macam mana? {ohmygod}

Cuba bagi Friskies Kitten dalam can kecik tu atau Whiskas untuk kitten yang dalam pouch. Si huga tu biarkan dia menghisap susu. Asal dia sihat dan aktif, alhamdullillah. Nanti bila dia rasa lapar dia akan belajar untuk makan sendiri. Tapi kenalkan dia ngan Friskies kitten/Whiskas Kitten sebab bau dan rasa yang dua ni lebih kuat dan sedap dari yang dalam tin besar tu. Hijra suka Friskies kitten ni tapi aku tak bagi pada anak-anak kecik dia sebab taknak dia mintak Friskies saja taknak makan kibble.

filinlee 10-20-2008 10:32 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
owh...macam tuh eh.. ok... nanti nak kena cari la yang kecik2...

masalah hugo tuh..emot kadang x mau layan.. kena letak dia baring baru leh nak netek.. sian la kat hugo.. karang berlapar....{ohmygod}

catz 10-20-2008 11:46 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
Thx to Bareen and Ashleywong...I understand quite a lot. But I am quite confuse too. {scared} Ha3...well, I am still learning and you all are my senior.{wink}

Dear Bareen, I really can still use Petalac? {oh} Er..may I know how long have ur kitten drink Petalac when suddenly they pass away? {cry}
can I wash the bottom of the kitten? I scared tht there will grow bacteria if kept for a long time.. do I need to apply Frontline too? I feed her today with warm water..I read on a intruction manual tht every kitten need drinking water. I think it's good to wash away any excess of the milk powder left in her mouth. she seems to like it too...is it okay?

one more thing I am very worried about... {cry2} sometimes the belly of the kitten may be big which shows its full...but the kitten seems still not enough drinking milk..and I did pat her back every time I finish feeding but I don't seem to hear her 'burping' aftr feeding. I only can stimulate her to urinate. is sth wrong?

I need your help to pass this critical stage. once she can feed by herself, it's better. Thank you...{happy}

Bareen 10-21-2008 12:12 AM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
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Originally Posted by catz (Post 15073)
Thx to Bareen and Ashleywong...I understand quite a lot. But I am quite confuse too. {scared} Ha3...well, I am still learning and you all are my senior.{wink}

Dear Bareen, I really can still use Petalac? {oh} Er..may I know how long have ur kitten drink Petalac when suddenly they pass away? {cry}
can I wash the bottom of the kitten? I scared tht there will grow bacteria if kept for a long time.. do I need to apply Frontline too? I feed her today with warm water..I read on a intruction manual tht every kitten need drinking water. I think it's good to wash away any excess of the milk powder left in her mouth. she seems to like it too...is it okay?

one more thing I am very worried about... {cry2} sometimes the belly of the kitten may be big which shows its full...but the kitten seems still not enough drinking milk..and I did pat her back every time I finish feeding but I don't seem to hear her 'burping' aftr feeding. I only can stimulate her to urinate. is sth wrong?

I need your help to pass this critical stage. once she can feed by herself, it's better. Thank you...{happy}

Clean the kitten bottom with facial cotton ot soft towel. Dont wipe with tissue paper as fibre in tissu can hurt kitten delicate skin. But you can use tissue to dry access water from the kitten coat.

My kitten die just after few hour after feeding with Petalac. Must be the solution is too thick for them. But they are newborn kittens which required first milk from the mother. Your chance of surviving is good as the kitten had pass its 48 hours of mother milk which provide initial antibody.

Dont worry about the tummy. If the kitten still want the milk just give her. Just make sure she urinate after each feeding. Dont worry about burping. It still too early to apply FrontLine but if you notice fleas, spray it on her bedding. Once she start eating, you need to bring her to the vet for deworming. Worm can be pass to kitten thru initial mother milk. Kitten need special deworming at specific dosage. Dont try to get deworming medicine over the counter for kitten.

Warm water will help to hydrate your kitten but she need lots of milk to grow up.

ashleywong 10-21-2008 09:10 AM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
Oh, worms can also be spread through fleas! fleas not only spread haemotbart bacteria but also worms - tapeworms, hookworks and round worms.

so bareen's advice is good - use front line on the bedding and take to vet for deworming, never use OTC : the cost of OTC is not that much cheaper anyway.

good luck and do keep us posted.

haiya, me not senior lah, this is my first time with cats and they're only about 1 1/2 years old but i couldn't find any information and help when i first started out (and didn't come across this forum) so my learning curve was very steep - more like a trial and error - luckily my cats survived my T&E attempts {shy}

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Originally Posted by Bareen (Post 15077)
It still too early to apply FrontLine but if you notice fleas, spray it on her bedding. Once she start eating, you need to bring her to the vet for deworming. Worm can be pass to kitten thru initial mother milk. Kitten need special deworming at specific dosage. Dont try to get deworming medicine over the counter for kitten.

Warm water will help to hydrate your kitten but she need lots of milk to grow up.


catz 10-21-2008 03:55 PM

Re: Feeding My Kittens
 
Thankyou very much to Bareen and Ashleywong who have help me alot. {happy} The kitten is doing good. I feed her almost every two hour! {happy} and ysterday I weight her around 200gram. is she healthy?

Dear, Bareen. I am sorry for ur kitten. {cry} hopefully they rest in peace. er..just to make sure. Frontline is a brand right? to kill fleas or mites..If let say I can't find it..can I use other brand? and..how frequent can I spray it..? when (how old) can I apply to the kitten? btw, only when the kitten start eating then I take her to vet, but eat in a mean of drinking on her own or eat food? anyway, Bareen, u r so familiar with cat. r u a vet b4? {shy} I am just like getting a free vet service.


Dear Ashleywong thankyou so much for your information. U r still my senior aftr all. I only keep the kitten for only few days compared to u who has succesfull. {happy} ha3. I will always keep the news of the kitten posted.


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