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Nana 11-09-2008 10:43 PM

Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Hi all..I'm in need of opinion and advice..

both the Bulan n Bintang were vaccinated last tuesday (4 nov). then for that 1 day, both mmg down la..xnak makan.. then the next day dah active blk, makan pn makan jgk, tp xbyk mcm sblm tu...then i notice mcm they kurang makan, and poo also kurang...so I gave wet food..(usually bagi dry food) then Bulan vomit that was Friday petang, i think practically ALL the wet food that he ate came out... then that nite also ada vomit (not sure who), then the next morning pun got vomit (not sure who)....

i've been following Blackie's thread...so vomit may not be smthing serious... but then till today..they're not eating..or If they eat..it must be in really small amount that i xnotice pun the food b'kurang...but the thing is, for today, mmg no poo at all.....

Is this something normal after vaccinated? It's almost 1 week oredy....to make myself feel better, I'd like to think that it's because of the vitamin the vet gave them. Is that possible? the vet said it smell n taste good, so cats will just lick, but both bulan n bintang runs at that scent of it. I'm not gonna give the vitamin anymore...but then..the question is should i be seriously worried? what else can i do? is it the food?

mind me...until I found this forum..I've been absolutely clueless...If you need to teach me ABC on cats, pls do...

chemonk 11-10-2008 11:48 AM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
you should consider using multivitamin for both bulan and bintang.. i'm having same as well of my chemong during her first vaccination. but my vet already ask me to use multivitamin if the chemong's appetite decrease. i'm using troy multivitamin to boost chemong appetite. only 1 inch needed every day as an appetizer before she eat from the bowl.. it works for me and it might works as well for you.. maybe la.. because of the reaction of the vaccination with their immune system.. same goes for human.. after injection.. sometimes ppl got fever la.. lost appetite laaaa... it because of the body system is currently reacts towards the vaccination... {victory}

FurKids 11-10-2008 12:23 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Nana, give them some daging dada ayam rebus/kukus. Kalau tak ada masa nak masak utk mereka, pergi kedai makan dan pilik dada ayam from the curry or kurma (preferably bukan yang digoreng).

Take out the breast meat from the bone dan bilas dengan air secukupnya utk menghilangkan rempah dan garam.

Mash the meat with some warm water using CLEAN fingers that have been washed with soap and give it to them several times daily.

Biasanya selepas vaccination, many cats experience demam due to the vaccine. Badan mereka also undergo great stress (sebab tu all cats must be very healthy before you can vaccinate them because if their system cannot take the stress, they can die) sebab tu it is quite normal for them to look quite moyok and sleep more. They can also be quite uncomfortable. Do not stress them unnecessarily and DO NOT bathe them or wet them because they can suffer a chill and get sicker.

Kalau tak makan tu, mesti la poo tak ada. Continue to give them moist, mashed daging dada ayam for several days to strengthen their body. Saya tak bagi langsung multi-vitamin, cuma daging ayam sahaja. They really need that meat protein.

Nana 11-10-2008 01:26 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Then maybe I should check, what kind of vitamin the vet gave kan....for sure, they both dont like it at all...

This morning Bulan ate some dry food, then vomit.....for cats ada such thing as gastric ke? as for Bintang, langsung xmakan.....Nana nak gi beli ayam jap lagi ni... Mksdnye kene force feed la ye? Bagi mkn ayam rebus ni better drp bg wet food ke??

mcmnane nak tau drg ni demam ye? masa 1st day tu, mmg both moody, nmpak lemah...tp yg skrg ni, drg main2 gak....cuma lebih tidur n kurang makan...klu kucing demam bahaya x?

thanks for your replies..I'm worried sick ni...

abgraldo 11-10-2008 02:43 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Dear Nana,
Normally, cats will be having fever within one week after vaccine. Usually it last only 1-2 days within that week and cat definitely will be inactive and eat less. A week after, cats should be okay, and will return to their normal self. U must remember also NOT TO BATH the cat for 1 week after vaccine, if u do cats might get hypothemia and die.
Vomit actually quite normal for cats cause they're picky eaters. Sometimes they wrongly eaten something and cause stomach upset. Vomit 1-2 times is normal. If they dont like the vitamin, then don't give. Call the vet for alternative vitamins.

FurKids 11-10-2008 02:58 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Nana, now that you know what is normal, you need to notice what is not normal for your cats sebab vaccinations must only be done on healthy animals free from any sickness due to the great stress placed on the immunity system.

Masa ni lah, you will see any penyakit terpendam exposing itself because the body system is at a weakened, challenged state! I have seen some clinics main vaccinate aja for money and the animal owner is so ignorant and just go along. Hari tu saya nampak owner bawa balik anjing dia for second visit sebab tak nak makan dan asyik muntah.

Saya rasa heran kenapa diorang pergi vaccinate anak anjing tu padahal it looked so weak and thin ... so unfit looking ... asking for trouble!

Nana, Bulan dan Bintang sihat dan cukup berat tak sebelum suntikan?

Nana 11-10-2008 04:04 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Eh..nape Nana post td..xkuar ek? hmm...budak br blaja kot...

Nana pn xtau, apa vitamin yg drg bg tu...nak kene tny la nt...

Nana nak try bg ayam la nt...tu better drp bg wet food ke? ni, nk kene force feed ke atau tgu drg mkn sndiri? is there such thing as gastric in cats? pg td Bulan ada makan sikit, pastu vomit, Bintang plk didn't eat anything...

Cmne nak tau kucing demam ye? bahaya ke klu demam? Well, 1st day lepas vaccinated tu drg mmg down la..asyik tido je, mmg lemah...tp pastu dah ok..skg ni pn drg ok je..bl time main, active je main...tp tu lah xnak makan...today pn xde poo..so meaning drg btl2 xmakan...

After 1 week, drg blk to normal self? xpe ke drg xmkn? Nana paksa drg minum je...bg makan langsung xnak...haih....risaunye...

Yelah...lg2 org mcm Nana ni....mana tau apa2....hr tu org tu check temperature..dia kt ok..tp Nana xtau the temperature...what's normal temperature for cats? then berat..Bulan 3 kg, Bintang 2.7 kg...Nana xsure umur drg ni....strays... Vet tu anggarkan dlm 6 bln...

Thanks for your replies...really appreciate it...I'm worried sick here...

FurKids 11-10-2008 04:14 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nana (Post 17988)
Eh..nape Nana post td..xkuar ek? hmm...budak br blaja kot...

Nana pn xtau, apa vitamin yg drg bg tu...nak kene tny la nt...

Nana nak try bg ayam la nt...tu better drp bg wet food ke? ni, nk kene force feed ke atau tgu drg mkn sndiri? is there such thing as gastric in cats? pg td Bulan ada makan sikit, pastu vomit, Bintang plk didn't eat anything...

Cmne nak tau kucing demam ye? bahaya ke klu demam? Well, 1st day lepas vaccinated tu drg mmg down la..asyik tido je, mmg lemah...tp pastu dah ok..skg ni pn drg ok je..bl time main, active je main...tp tu lah xnak makan...today pn xde poo..so meaning drg btl2 xmakan...

After 1 week, drg blk to normal self? xpe ke drg xmkn? Nana paksa drg minum je...bg makan langsung xnak...haih....risaunye...

Yelah...lg2 org mcm Nana ni....mana tau apa2....hr tu org tu check temperature..dia kt ok..tp Nana xtau the temperature...what's normal temperature for cats? then berat..Bulan 3 kg, Bintang 2.7 kg...Nana xsure umur drg ni....strays... Vet tu anggarkan dlm 6 bln...

Thanks for your replies...really appreciate it...I'm worried sick here...

Nana, tolong bagi mereka daging ayam fresh (beli atau masak sendiri) SEGERA dan sebanyak yang mereka boleh makan sendiri, tak payah force feed.

Banyak kucing tak suka makan wet canned food especially bila sakit dan kurang selera. Makanan daging fresh lebih menarik utk mereka anytime. Macam manusia la, saya lebih suka makanan fresh (bukan sahaja lebih berzat) daripada mee maggi dan makanan tin (ayam kari dan sebagainya) sebab kurang menyelerakan walaupun tidak sakit.

Forget the multivitamin, that is not food, it is just a supplement! Kasi kucing Nana real FOOD! Badan mereka yang perlu sembuh dengan lengkap dan juga terus membesar amat memerlukan makanan yang lengkap dan baik!

Susah sangat kasik mereka seekor tikus sorang ... (just kidding!) at least mereka dapat makan makanan semulajadi mereka iaitu daging (meat!). Nana, do you get the idea, tak? {grin}{grin}{grin}

blackie007 11-10-2008 08:08 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Err, Nana, I think lebih baik klu beli ayam steam dari chicken rice stall. Yg tuh lebih baik, in my humble opinion sebab tak come into contact dengan curry atau kurma.

Tapi, klu Nana boleh, beli lah raw chicken breast dan microwave it....tapi jangan microwave sampai terlalu masak sebab akan kehilangan flavour dia.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FurKids (Post 17943)
Nana, give them some daging dada ayam rebus/kukus. Kalau tak ada masa nak masak utk mereka, pergi kedai makan dan pilik dada ayam from the curry or kurma (preferably bukan yang digoreng).

Take out the breast meat from the bone dan bilas dengan air secukupnya utk menghilangkan rempah dan garam.


Nana 11-10-2008 08:16 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Yay!!! Bulan n Bintang makan ayam kukus.... mula2 drg xnak.. tp Nana paksa minum then br nak makan, tu pn kene letak atas tapak tangan....whatever pun...yg penting drg makan...

xpenah Nana dgr org kukus ayam utk kucing..sll ikan je... boleh ke ayam kukus ni jadi regular food utk drg?

u all are sooo experienced..thanks a bunch..

June 11-10-2008 08:19 PM

Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Klu ko rajin hari2 rebus kenapa tidak.tp klu sbg treat pun boleh.yg penting berapa $$$ ko sanggup kuar belanja utk kucing2 ko.klu sia punya kucing ada 8 ekor makan ayam rebus hari2 boleh declare bangkrap {shy}

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nana (Post 18032)
Yay!!! Bulan n Bintang makan ayam kukus.... mula2 drg xnak.. tp Nana paksa minum then br nak makan, tu pn kene letak atas tapak tangan....whatever pun...yg penting drg makan...

xpenah Nana dgr org kukus ayam utk kucing..sll ikan je... boleh ke ayam kukus ni jadi regular food utk drg?

u all are sooo experienced..thanks a bunch..


filinlee 11-10-2008 08:22 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by June (Post 18033)
Klu ko rajin hari2 rebus kenapa tidak.tp klu sbg treat pun boleh.yg penting berapa $$$ ko sanggup kuar belanja utk kucing2 ko.klu sia punya kucing ada 8 ekor makan ayam rebus hari2 boleh declare bangkrap {shy}

ya betooollll!!~ {wink} eheheheh {happy} sama dengan aku la june... mau kopak rabak poket aku,.... {ohmygod} sekor2 kat umah tuh kuat pulak tuh melantak... dari yang besor sampai la si kecik2 tuh.... {shy}

Nana 11-10-2008 08:40 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Blackie..thanks..Nana beli raw and then kukus....waah...utk diri sndiri pn xpenah masak apa2... hehe..t'fikir gak...nak buh bwg n garam bg rasa....tp bila bc blk FurKids specifically mention bilas utk hilangkan rempah n garam...

I'm soooooooo glad they both ate something today..{happy}

Kak June, yakan..mahal plk ya, klu drg mkn ayam hari2...tp sb drg ni pndai memilih...ntahlah kucing2 sy ni yg b'tebiat ka atau mmg gaya kucing mcm tu..klu lama2 mkn mkanan yg sama dia pandai xmau ni....So sy alternate mcm2 jenis...drg parents sy suruh bg makan nasi sj, sudah pn drg try..tp manada Bulan n Bintang mau...sb drg sda besa mkn catfood dr kck kali.

It's almost a week now...I hope drg blk keadaan asal....risau plk bila kene pantau drg mkn..sblm ni, awal pagi lagi dah meow asking for food..now kene paksa mkn kat muke plk....

June 11-10-2008 08:50 PM

Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Filin,tau takpe {shy} Tuan kucing pun makan ayam 1 minggu 1 x.jimat $$

ya nana.kena raw jgn ada garam dan apa2 perasa.itu lebih natural.dulu2 my cats pun makan begitu tp ndak tahanlah $$$ 8 ekor 1 minggu mau 12 kg ayam.pengsan!!! tp sekali2 treat bg durang tu ok lah. bikin lepas2 geram.

kdg2 ada kucing ni mmg tau memilih makanan.luckily my cats bukan picky eater.apa pun durang sapu saja.almaklumlah dulu kucing jalanan jd kena bersyukur klu dpt mkn dan tempat tinggal yg bagus.he!!he!!he!! tp klu blh ko jgn bg nasi sebab nasi ada karbohidrat.not good for cats.tp klu teda $$$$ apa2 pun janji kucing mau makan.yg penting $$$$$ ikut kemampuan poket ko.

sebelum ni ko bg durang makan apa??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nana (Post 18037)
Blackie..thanks..Nana beli raw and then kukus....waah...utk diri sndiri pn xpenah masak apa2... hehe..t'fikir gak...nak buh bwg n garam bg rasa....tp bila bc blk FurKids specifically mention bilas utk hilangkan rempah n garam...

I'm soooooooo glad they both ate something today..{happy}

Kak June, yakan..mahal plk ya, klu drg mkn ayam hari2...tp sb drg ni pndai memilih...ntahlah kucing2 sy ni yg b'tebiat ka atau mmg gaya kucing mcm tu..klu lama2 mkn mkanan yg sama dia pandai xmau ni....So sy alternate mcm2 jenis...drg parents sy suruh bg makan nasi sj, sudah pn drg try..tp manada Bulan n Bintang mau...sb drg sda besa mkn catfood dr kck kali.

It's almost a week now...I hope drg blk keadaan asal....risau plk bila kene pantau drg mkn..sblm ni, awal pagi lagi dah meow asking for food..now kene paksa mkn kat muke plk....


Nana 11-10-2008 08:59 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
sy ambik dr drg kecik2 lg, tu la suda biasa tu kali kan..mula2 dulu bagi wetfood whiskas..then tukar p dry..so skrg ni, klu dlm keadaan drg sihat, bagi friskies, science plan, whiskas, alternate la.... blh hidang yg sama dua kali ja, klu kali ketiga sama juga drg xmkn sda tu....

tp sy ada t'baca ba, yg kucing ni spatutnya mkn wetfood..yaka? cukup ka nutrition drg klu mkn dryfood ja?

filinlee 11-10-2008 09:00 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
kucen2 aku x leh di kasi muka june.. dulu aku bagi sekali skala gak... kire semingu2 kali... sampai sanggup x mo makan kibbles... tgu jer aku bagi wetfud atau chicken.... hampeh tol... {ohmygod} aku sound jer siang2.. ko x mo makan kibbles ko punyer pasal.. ko yang lapar bukan aku... bukan aku x kasi makan... pandai2 la...

baru la nak makan sikit2...{shy}{ohmygod}

lepas dari tuh.. kadang semingu skali.. kadang 2 mingu skali... bukan x nak bagi.. bila bagi jadik macm tuh la... cumer time kena makan ubat jer kasi lebey...ehehe... treat diorang pasal kasihan... pahit tekak kan... eheheh{shy}

chemonk 11-11-2008 09:54 AM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
june... aku tgk ko taip $$$$ tu mcm censored jer.. wahahahahahah**larik... ok latu nana.. dah makan... dah ok la depa punya imunisasi system...{shy}

June 11-11-2008 11:43 AM

Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
woit!!mana ada censor.pandailah ko {shy}

Quote:

Originally Posted by chemonk (Post 18159)
june... aku tgk ko taip $$$$ tu mcm censored jer.. wahahahahahah**larik... ok latu nana.. dah makan... dah ok la depa punya imunisasi system...{shy}


Mr & Mrs Mondok 11-11-2008 02:01 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by filinlee (Post 18042)
kucen2 aku x leh di kasi muka june.. dulu aku bagi sekali skala gak... kire semingu2 kali... sampai sanggup x mo makan kibbles... tgu jer aku bagi wetfud atau chicken.... hampeh tol... {ohmygod} aku sound jer siang2.. ko x mo makan kibbles ko punyer pasal.. ko yang lapar bukan aku... bukan aku x kasi makan... pandai2 la...

baru la nak makan sikit2...{shy}{ohmygod}

lepas dari tuh.. kadang semingu skali.. kadang 2 mingu skali... bukan x nak bagi.. bila bagi jadik macm tuh la... cumer time kena makan ubat jer kasi lebey...ehehe... treat diorang pasal kasihan... pahit tekak kan... eheheh{shy}

.:: Garang jugak Kak Filin ieh... tp betul la... Masa saya kerap bagi bebudak tuh dada ayam, diorang punya selera... Makkk ooiii... Menakutkan.. Smp bergaduh sbb berebut ayam...{ohmygod}

Skrg dah kurangkan, sbb bila bagi dada ayam, semua dok pakat mogok x nk mkn kibbles... {oh} ::.


Quote:

Originally Posted by chemonk (Post 18159)
june... aku tgk ko taip $$$$ tu mcm censored jer.. wahahahahahah**larik... ok latu nana.. dah makan... dah ok la depa punya imunisasi system...{shy}

.:: Hehheh!!! $$$$ tu nk mengaburi mata pelbagai pihak... Brp $$$$ yg dah dihabiskan tuk anak-anak bulu kesayangan... Tp semua tu tak kira sgt, asalkan kebajiakn anak-anak bulu terjaga... Betul tak Kak June??? {grin}::.

.:: Nana, dulu kucen kami pun ada vomit & tak lalu makan effect dari vaccination & deworm... Finally, kami bg makan dada ayam plus kibbles... Selang-seli.. Nowadays, dah ok... {victory} ::.

Nana 11-11-2008 02:25 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Pg td, punyelaaa happy tgk mknn drg habis..........wahhhh....drg dah ok........thanks tu everyone......{happy}

lesson of the thread.....kucing suke mkn ayam rebus.{wink}

Takutnya, nak m'hadapi 2nd vaccination nt...whatmore nak spay/neuter.....{scared}

nik_tropicana 11-11-2008 02:55 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
rasanyer 2nd jab nie dier da lali..saya punyer arwah BELL mcm nana punyer kucen gak..1st vaksin demam dua hari xmo mkn..pastu da ok..pas kne 2nd vaksin die relaks jer..siap lompat2 keriangan dlm carrier..hehehehe..

blackie007 11-11-2008 05:09 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Nana, kucing TAK boleh makan garam dan bawang. Bawang tuh TOXIC kat kucing.

Also, jangan bagi coklat walaupun kucing suka. Coklat, caffeine, tuh suma toxic kat kucing jugak.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nana (Post 18037)
..t'fikir gak...nak buh bwg n garam bg rasa....


abgraldo 11-11-2008 05:54 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nana (Post 18204)
Pg td, punyelaaa happy tgk mknn drg habis..........wahhhh....drg dah ok........thanks tu everyone......{happy}

lesson of the thread.....kucing suke mkn ayam rebus.{wink}

Takutnya, nak m'hadapi 2nd vaccination nt...whatmore nak spay/neuter.....{scared}

Yayyy!! happynyer dah sihat... kalau nak tambah tenaga dia org, bagi sikit glukos, jgn pekat sgt... Pakcu suka Nana usaha sungguh2 utk Bulan n Bintang... Now u deserve it!!

Nana 11-11-2008 06:28 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Nik: I sure hope so......sedih ssgt bile tgk drg down...

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie007 (Post 18259)
Nana, kucing TAK boleh makan garam dan bawang. Bawang tuh TOXIC kat kucing.

Also, jangan bagi coklat walaupun kucing suka. Coklat, caffeine, tuh suma toxic kat kucing jugak.

Yikes...didn't know that. Nana ni Chocolate+nescafe lover...time2 study, main letak je kt mn2. tp thankfully drg xpenah curi la..xtau la drg ada jilat2 ke x...drg ni, Nana t'tinggal sausage or fishball atas meja dr pg smpi ptg pn xkn mkn.. Nana blk br drg meow mintak makan.... Am sooo proud of the fact....tapi ada org kate Nana yg spoil kn drg, smpi jd cmtu...{nah}

Hmm...ada apa2 lg x yg toxic to them? esp. bnde2 yg regular kt rumah kite la...risau la plk... rumah Nana kecik je...blh katekn..sume bnde drg conquer...apa2 Nana ada, sume drg blh capai...

Quote:

Originally Posted by abgraldo (Post 18282)
Yayyy!! happynyer dah sihat... kalau nak tambah tenaga dia org, bagi sikit glukos, jgn pekat sgt... Pakcu suka Nana usaha sungguh2 utk Bulan n Bintang... Now u deserve it!!

Pakcu...glukos tu yg minuman glukos dlm tin biru tu ke?

Walaupun drg setakat kucing (as some say {angry}), org2 ni ada yg xfaham betapa kte syg kt drg....Kt dalam forum ni, br Nana rasa dpt support....klu Nana ckp kt org lain, kucing2 Nana xsihat smpi nangis2..drg kate Nana mengade, siap nasihat lg...Nana patut buang je, klu kucing2 tu menysahkan sgt {arrogant}... Nak bygkn Bulan n Bintang merayau kat luar tu pn, Nana xsgp {cry2}

abgraldo 11-11-2008 07:03 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nana (Post 18294)
Pakcu...glukos tu yg minuman glukos dlm tin biru tu ke?

Walaupun drg setakat kucing (as some say {angry}), org2 ni ada yg xfaham betapa kte syg kt drg....Kt dalam forum ni, br Nana rasa dpt support....klu Nana ckp kt org lain, kucing2 Nana xsihat smpi nangis2..drg kate Nana mengade, siap nasihat lg...Nana patut buang je, klu kucing2 tu menysahkan sgt {arrogant}... Nak bygkn Bulan n Bintang merayau kat luar tu pn, Nana xsgp {cry2}

Yup. Glucose biasa yg dlm tin biru. Jangan pekat sangat k.. Tu ler, hanya kiter2 je yg tau betapa rapatnya kiter dgn kucing kiter. Memang x sanggup kalau difikirkan dorg tu duk luar kena hujan/panas... Syabas to u NANA!!

FurKids 11-12-2008 03:04 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abgraldo (Post 18282)
Yayyy!! happynyer dah sihat... kalau nak tambah tenaga dia org, bagi sikit glukos, jgn pekat sgt... Pakcu suka Nana usaha sungguh2 utk Bulan n Bintang... Now u deserve it!!

JANGAN bagi glucose atau gula kepada kucing!

Ia kini memperolehi tenaga daripada protein dan lemak dalam daging atau makanan kucing. Protein/lemak/carbohydrate upon digestion all convert to energy utk badan kucing dan manusia. Gula sebenarnya tidak diperlukan langsung dlm makanan.

Sistem badan kucing amat berlainan daripada sistem badan manusia. Untuk manusia pun actually glucose dan gula adalah tidak baik dan boleh merupakan racun/toxic.

Kecuali your cat is has not been eating for a long time and very sick, dehydrated and weak. Itu pun kasi very SIKIT aje. Tapi dalam keadaan sebegini pun saya tidak akan memberi glucose atau gula, saya akan memberinya soup ayam pekat kosong tanpa sebarang perisa mcm bawang/rempah/gula/garam/msg dll.

Lagipun, you do not know whether your cat is diabetic or has a tendency towards diabetes. Sama mcm manusia.

Nana, kucing anda sekarang ada makan, so JANGAN kasi glucose at all!

Sorry, Pakcu, I really have to stress this, just like the vitamin supplement!

abgraldo 11-12-2008 03:10 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
No problem Furkids.. Pakcu pun just advise mcm vet advise Pakcu dulu, n it saves lives one my kitten dulu...

abgraldo 11-12-2008 04:22 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FurKids (Post 18369)
JANGAN bagi glucose atau gula kepada kucing!

Ia kini memperolehi tenaga daripada protein dan lemak dalam daging atau makanan kucing. Protein/lemak/carbohydrate upon digestion all convert to energy utk badan kucing dan manusia. Gula sebenarnya tidak diperlukan langsung dlm makanan.

Sistem badan kucing amat berlainan daripada sistem badan manusia. Untuk manusia pun actually glucose dan gula adalah tidak baik dan boleh merupakan racun/toxic.

Kecuali your cat is has not been eating for a long time and very sick, dehydrated and weak. Itu pun kasi very SIKIT aje. Tapi dalam keadaan sebegini pun saya tidak akan memberi glucose atau gula, saya akan memberinya soup ayam pekat kosong tanpa sebarang perisa mcm bawang/rempah/gula/garam/msg dll.

Lagipun, you do not know whether your cat is diabetic or has a tendency towards diabetes. Sama mcm manusia.

Nana, kucing anda sekarang ada makan, so JANGAN kasi glucose at all!

Sorry, Pakcu, I really have to stress this, just like the vitamin supplement!

No problem Furkids.. Pakcu pun just advise mcm vet advise Pakcu dulu, n it saves lives one my kitten dulu...
To Nana : Mcm furkids ckp, kalau dia dah makan daging, then no need glucose because daging tu pun sumber tenaga. Sorry Pakcu give you wrong advise. Lepas ni tak nak dah advise lagi... takut tersalah lak..

abgraldo 11-12-2008 04:29 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abgraldo (Post 18282)
Yayyy!! happynyer dah sihat... kalau nak tambah tenaga dia org, bagi sikit glukos, jgn pekat sgt... Pakcu suka Nana usaha sungguh2 utk Bulan n Bintang... Now u deserve it!!

Nana... Please dont follow this advise!!

FurKids 11-12-2008 04:44 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abgraldo (Post 18384)
Nana... Please dont follow this advise!!

Don't wokri, Pakcu, you meant well ... even vets and doctors sometimes give wrong advice because they didn't continually update themselves with new discoveries and findings.

Mcm setengah ubat/drug ... semasa new discovery, mereka rush to dispense sebab they thought very good drug ... tapi as years go by and new studies emerge looking at the side effects on the patients using the drug for several years, maka terbit lah maklumat baru on its dangers and so on ... so if the vet or doctor tak buat pembelajaran secara berterusan, maka he will not be equiped with new and more accurate knowledge even though he is a qualified doctor or vet.

Learning is a lifelong process, new knowledge and discoveries continually emerge ... mcm hal kucing - the last 10 years has produced many new discoveries about the cat's body sebab it has become a very popular household pet with more and more people staying in flats and condominium due to limited space.

Dulu anjing amat popular and not much was really known about the true nature of our beloved cats and they were pretty much treated as little dogs. But now we know that they are so different from dogs, for one, they are obligate carnivores (meat eating), not omnivores like dogs.

Peace, Pakcu ...

p.s. dah tangkap si tomei mama and kids belum?

abgraldo 11-12-2008 05:06 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FurKids (Post 18388)
Don't wokri, Pakcu, you meant well ... even vets and doctors sometimes give wrong advice because they didn't continually update themselves with new discoveries and findings.

Mcm setengah ubat/drug ... semasa new discovery, mereka rush to dispense sebab they thought very good drug ... tapi as years go by and new studies emerge looking at the side effects on the patients using the drug for several years, maka terbit lah maklumat baru on its dangers and so on ... so if the vet or doctor tak buat pembelajaran secara berterusan, maka he will not be equiped with new and more accurate knowledge even though he is a qualified doctor or vet.

Learning is a lifelong process, new knowledge and discoveries continually emerge ... mcm hal kucing - the last 10 years has produced many new discoveries about the cat's body sebab it has become a very popular household pet with more and more people staying in flats and condominium due to limited space.

Dulu anjing amat popular and not much was really known about the true nature of our beloved cats and they were pretty much treated as little dogs. But now we know that they are so different from dogs, for one, they are obligate carnivores (meat eating), not omnivores like dogs.

Peace, Pakcu ...

p.s. dah tangkap si tomei mama and kids belum?

No problem Furkids. Yup, Pakcu meant well tp worry lak takut tersalah advise. So, after this tak nak advise lagi... bagila sifu2 lain yg lebih experiences.

Nana 11-12-2008 06:22 PM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
No worries..as of today, Bulan and Bintang are well energized...Ni memang betul2 dah sihat dah...selera makan pun dah ok.... as for the vitamin, Nana blm try bg lg to see if they want it or not....biar drg enjoy after recovery ni, then I'll see if they want to take it or not...

I believe everyone here has the same love and concerns for our cats... Nana ni masih baru lg, and is experiencing accelerated learning... I appreciate everyone's suggestions and opinions...

FK, Pakcu...thanks... Nana memang nk dgr dari everyone yg sudi b'kongsi pengalaman...but still in mind, at times, kucing2 kte pun need to be treated individualized...masing2 dgn perangai masing2...body system pun berbeza, or maybe the situation that kucing tu hadapi... so if one thing works for one cat, xsemestinya it would work for another cat..It's try n error...sebagai penerima nasihat...we think n decide the best for our cats, based on a collection of information....lebih byk, lebih baik, lebih meriah!!!

so here goes another lesson of thread: Glucose in really small amount can be given to starving cats to regain energy. (right?)

klu Pakcu xmention kt sini, xtau pun Glucose to ada function utk cats...Klu FK x add in the details...xtau pun the whole story....Hey, I'm learning lots!!

I'm sooooo loving this place...{happy}

blackie007 11-12-2008 11:16 PM

Love Your Cat! Don't Feed Them These Foods!
 
Sorry for the late reply, Nana. Been busy with don't know what.

Food yang toxic to cats are:
onion
garlic
mushrooms
chocolate / coffee / tea
citrus macam orange, lemon, etc. (boleh cause vomitting)
avocado
nuts
apricot
cherry
grapes / raisins
potato
tomato
yeast dough
alcohol (tak kan kiter bagi kucing alcohol kan? {grin} )
MILK = only give your cat KITTEN FORMULA,
NOT baby milk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nana (Post 18294)
Hmm...ada apa2 lg x yg toxic to them? esp. bnde2 yg regular kt rumah kite la...risau la plk... rumah Nana kecik je...blh katekn..sume bnde drg conquer...apa2 Nana ada, sume drg blh capai...


abgraldo 11-12-2008 11:39 PM

Re: Love Your Cat! Don't Feed Them These Foods!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie007 (Post 18466)
Sorry for the late reply, Nana. Been busy with don't know what.

Food yang toxic to cats are:
onion
garlic
mushrooms
chocolate / coffee / tea
citrus macam orange, lemon, etc. (boleh cause vomitting)
avocado
nuts
apricot
cherry
grapes / raisins
potato
tomato
yeast dough
alcohol (tak kan kiter bagi kucing alcohol kan? {grin} )
MILK = only give your cat KITTEN FORMULA,
NOT baby milk

Very good info charlene! looks like my cats ada dah termakan toxic2 nih :-
Avoderm (terang2 dia ckp ada avocado, kononnyer good for skin) no more now.. dah tukar Blackwood..hehe.
Brewer Yeast Tablets with Garlic (flea control)
Orange (kadang2 si Rimba sebat pakcunyer fresh orange)
Potato (potato chips kena jauh ler mcm ni... favourite dorg seme tuh..huh)
Yeast dough (Now im feeding them brewer yeast tablets without garlic..ok?)

firdaruddin 11-12-2008 11:42 PM

Re: Love Your Cat! Don't Feed Them These Foods!
 
glucose tu macam yang vet fir cakap just guna glucoline tu je..tapi hanya bagi bila mereka terlalu lemah atau dehydrate sahaja...

blackie007 11-13-2008 12:19 AM

Re: Love Your Cat! Don't Feed Them These Foods!
 
potato chips ade garam banyak kan? for me, klu I'm not sure, I tak bagi Blackie.

avocado tuh I tau not long ago jugak...

Avocado:

Avocado contains a toxin known as persin. It is found in all parts of the avocado & is toxic to most domestic animals.

The symptoms include gastrointestinal irritation, vomiting, diarrhea, respiratory distress, congestion, fluid accumulation around the tissues of the heart and even death.


Yang lain-lain tuh pakcu boleh baca dari http://www.peteducation.com/article....+1399&aid=1029

brewer yeast tablets without garlic tuh pakcu boleh tanya vet ke? sebab aku tak pasti leh....so sorry, pakcu, tak dapat tolong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by abgraldo (Post 18475)
Very good info charlene! looks like my cats ada dah termakan toxic2 nih :-
Avoderm (terang2 dia ckp ada avocado, kononnyer good for skin) no more now.. dah tukar Blackwood..hehe.
Brewer Yeast Tablets with Garlic (flea control)
Orange (kadang2 si Rimba sebat pakcunyer fresh orange)
Potato (potato chips kena jauh ler mcm ni... favourite dorg seme tuh..huh)
Yeast dough (Now im feeding them brewer yeast tablets without garlic..ok?)


Nana 11-13-2008 12:28 AM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abgraldo (Post 18475)
Very good info charlene! looks like my cats ada dah termakan toxic2 nih :-
Avoderm (terang2 dia ckp ada avocado, kononnyer good for skin) no more now.. dah tukar Blackwood..hehe.
Brewer Yeast Tablets with Garlic (flea control)
Orange (kadang2 si Rimba sebat pakcunyer fresh orange)
Potato (potato chips kena jauh ler mcm ni... favourite dorg seme tuh..huh)
Yeast dough (Now im feeding them brewer yeast tablets without garlic..ok?)

charleen=Blackie?

Waahh..the very basic things we have at home kan....I soo love my Bulan n Bintang..n how unfortunate those out there that have no choice but to just eat anything they come across with...

Quote:

Originally Posted by firdaruddin (Post 18476)
glucose tu macam yang vet fir cakap just guna glucoline tu je..tapi hanya bagi bila mereka terlalu lemah atau dehydrate sahaja...

that is a good piece of information.

while we're on the topic, Nana nak tnya la regarding drg pnye food intake ni... Mcm kte manusia kan, there many types of food yang we CAN eat, tp too much, long term, we may end up with diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, liver problems, kidney problem, etc...all are very much related to food intake...and xlupe juge, lack of excercise and stressful life style...Therefore, kte ade lah langkah berjaga2 untuk mengurangkan risiko penyakit di masa akan datang kn....... so the question is... food or things to do to minimize diseases/health problems in cats...

mcm basics tu yelah, bg makan, jg kebersihan, vaccine... tp other than that... Nana nak super healthy cats..Nana xnak 1 day dpt tau drg sakit disebabkan something yang Nana boleh prevent. I mean, like, dulu ms drg kecil Nana bg drg full-cream milk, dah habis 1L drg minum, br Nana jumpe article psl milk {ohmygod}.

firdaruddin 11-13-2008 12:34 AM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
tapi at least, kita dah try wat yang terbaik utk diorang..

abgraldo 11-13-2008 01:05 AM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by firdaruddin (Post 18494)
tapi at least, kita dah try wat yang terbaik utk diorang..

Dear Nana,
Ikut pengalaman Pakcu, mana2 yg bole di elakkan, cubala elak. Macam list yg charlene bagi n baca info kat website tu. Makan/minum/exercise tu biasala. Kalau bole bagi la super premium foods n treat dgn wetfood sekali sekala. Mandi seminggu sekali (lepas vaksin jgn mandi seminggu), groom hari-hari even for DSH, n selalu2 la berbual n main2 dgn kucing. Less stress cats is a healthy cats.. Pakcu pegang pd tu jer, yg lain Pakcu serahkan pada Tuhan untuk tentukan..

FurKids 11-13-2008 10:27 AM

Re: Bulan n Bintang dah xnak makan...something wrong??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nana (Post 18420)
No worries..as of today, Bulan and Bintang are well energized...Ni memang betul2 dah sihat dah...selera makan pun dah ok.... as for the vitamin, Nana blm try bg lg to see if they want it or not....biar drg enjoy after recovery ni, then I'll see if they want to take it or not...

Nana kalau dah bagi premium kibbles tak payah sendiri bagi multivitamin sebagai tambahan. Kalau nak bagi jugak, make sure you do not overdose especially Vitamin A. Also, you need to be careful about the form of vitamin you are giving your cat (sama macam manusia), normally the cheaper forms are less absorbable and the kidneys take more effort to get rid of them through the urine (mcm calcium supplement manusia - the cheaper forms are calcium carbonate which is low in absorbsion (?spell?) and is very hard on the kidney and many uninformed people main beli makan aje. My cats are all on good expensive kibbles tapi if you put your cats on cheap kibbles pastu tambah vitamin supplement, the total cost of it is equally high if you take into consideration the cats' health and vet bills plus the time and effort you take to check the supplements' quality as well.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nana (Post 18420)
so here goes another lesson of thread: Glucose in really small amount can be given to starving cats to regain energy. (right?) klu Pakcu xmention kt sini, xtau pun Glucose to ada function utk cats...Klu FK x add in the details...xtau pun the whole story....Hey, I'm learning lots!!

What do you mean by starving cats, Nana? A little glucose is given by the vet if the cat is found to be hypoglycaemic (meaning that the sugar level in the blood is very low) and a small dose of glucose immediately restores the blood sugar level (faster than that derived from eating some food, or the cat is so weak and sick it cannot eat at all). Just because the vet does it doesn't mean you should do it. The vet lakukan an informed action (which not necessarily you know about) because he is a trained medical personnel.

But realistically, there are also lousy vets who makes the wrong diagnostics and prescribes wrong medications ... (example, I have seen vets use steroids so freely even as the first line of treatment padahal we all know steroids should be dispensed last after all other safer medications have failed. I have seen vets putting the Ilium steroid eye medication on cats without restraint even though terang benderang, it is written on the tube that people should use other safer medications first and the steroid should be used as a last resort. Sure, the cat heals ... but the steroid renders all other safer medication useless on the cat from then on!)


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