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BerniceW 05-24-2009 11:47 PM

Rescuing a pup from being feasted by vietnamese worker
 
Yesterday, While my fren was at her shop overseeing her shop renovation, she heard some whining sound from behind her shop and went to checked the trash bin at the rear door...............she was shocked to see a cute brown 5 - 6 months old mongrel pup in a gunny sack inside the covered trash bin, with only his head outside the sack, tied very tightly with a nylon string around his neck to prevent him from escape fr the sack.

The poor pup was looking at her with his pleading eyes, looked weak though but still kept struggling helplessly, she was then quickly asked for scissors to cut the strings and released the poor puppy, then asked the workers furiously, who did that to the poor pup?............ To the shock of her life, 1 of the Indon worker told her that it was some vietnamese workers here trying to EAT THE PUP and its very normal to them, coz, they eat dog at their country, it is their culture.

How can this happend here?? It is so disgusting!!!! So sickening!!!!{angry}

Beware of those vietnamese workers, keep dogs away from them.

adamyala 05-25-2009 12:26 AM

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Ya...I heard they also eat cats {angry}
pls...keep your pets indoor. And when you take them for a walk, please ensure someone is keeping an eye on them. Otherwise, they might end up in the frying pan {scared}{angry}{cry}

BerniceW 05-25-2009 12:47 AM

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But this sld not happend here, their culture in their country, not here{angry}, do agree that owner keep an eye on their pets closely

Yurie 05-25-2009 01:59 AM

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I cannot imaging how the hell they can eat this adorable, cute, harmless, friendly creature{angry} and to imaging they slatter these puppies and kitty{angry}{angry}OMG!!!.
Even thou they don't have money but they can eat vege or other things than puppies or cats...{scared}{scared}
It is so disgusting and heartless{sick}{sick}
We can call SPCA to investigate or prevent this things right???{sweat}

adamyala 05-25-2009 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Yurie (Post 45002)
I cannot imaging how the hell they can eat this adorable, cute, harmless, friendly creature{angry} and to imaging they slatter these puppies and kitty{angry}{angry}OMG!!!.
Even thou they don't have money but they can eat vege or other things than puppies or cats...{scared}{scared}
It is so disgusting and heartless{sick}{sick}
We can call SPCA to investigate or prevent this things right???{sweat}

Ya...Anum *mrsdolittle* hope you are reading this
is there anything SPCA could do about this ?{scared}{sick}

Maneki Neko 05-25-2009 07:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yurie (Post 45002)
I cannot imaging how the hell they can eat this adorable, cute, harmless, friendly creature{angry} and to imaging they slatter these puppies and kitty{angry}{angry}OMG!!!.
Even thou they don't have money but they can eat vege or other things than puppies or cats...{scared}{scared}
It is so disgusting and heartless{sick}{sick}

I've read comments like this for a long time and have stayed quiet, but this time I'm going to stick my neck out.

I do not eat dogs or cats, but for the same reasons that I don't eat cows, goats, sheep, chicken, pigs, etc. Are those of you who are outraged about this also vegetarian, or are you eating other slaughtered animals?

It is the culture in many places, such as Vietnam, to raise dogs for meat, just as Malaysians raise cattle or pigs. Pigs are judged to be more highly intelligent than dogs, and I personally find cows adorable. My point is, if you have no problem with raising other animals for slaughter, isn't it difficult to condemn people for raising dogs for the same purpose? Are the ethics of slaughtering a cow any different than the ethics of slaughtering a dog?

Now, in the interest of saving Malaysia's dogs, the question is, is there a law against killing dogs (and cats) for food? If so, the foreign workers can be formally charged with a crime. I'm not sure what the SPCA would be able to do to help... {sick}

adamyala 05-25-2009 07:57 AM

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Yes Amanda,
there is a huge difference between slaughtering cows, goats, chicken, pigs and ducks for food and slaughtering cats and dogs for consumption. Dogs and cats are raised as pets in our homes. They are part of the family. To me, personally, its like slaughtering your own children. Cows, pigs, chicken etc; are food.


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Originally Posted by Maneki Neko (Post 45006)
I've read comments like this for a long time and have stayed quiet, but this time I'm going to stick my neck out.

I do not eat dogs or cats, but for the same reasons that I don't eat cows, goats, sheep, chicken, pigs, etc. Are those of you who are outraged about this also vegetarian, or are you eating other slaughtered animals?

It is the culture in many places, such as Vietnam, to raise dogs for meat, just as Malaysians raise cattle or pigs. Pigs are judged to be more highly intelligent than dogs, and I personally find cows adorable. My point is, if you have no problem with raising other animals for slaughter, isn't it difficult to condemn people for raising dogs for the same purpose? Are the ethics of slaughtering a cow any different than the ethics of slaughtering a dog?

Now, in the interest of saving Malaysia's dogs, the question is, is there a law against killing dogs (and cats) for food? If so, the foreign workers can be formally charged with a crime. I'm not sure what the SPCA would be able to do to help... {sick}


BerniceW 05-25-2009 08:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maneki Neko (Post 45006)
I've read comments like this for a long time and have stayed quiet, but this time I'm going to stick my neck out.

I do not eat dogs or cats, but for the same reasons that I don't eat cows, goats, sheep, chicken, pigs, etc. Are those of you who are outraged about this also vegetarian, or are you eating other slaughtered animals?

It is the culture in many places, such as Vietnam, to raise dogs for meat, just as Malaysians raise cattle or pigs. Pigs are judged to be more highly intelligent than dogs, and I personally find cows adorable. My point is, if you have no problem with raising other animals for slaughter, isn't it difficult to condemn people for raising dogs for the same purpose? Are the ethics of slaughtering a cow any different than the ethics of slaughtering a dog?

Now, in the interest of saving Malaysia's dogs, the question is, is there a law against killing dogs (and cats) for food? If so, the foreign workers can be formally charged with a crime. I'm not sure what the SPCA would be able to do to help... {sick}

Even there is no LAW agaisnt killing pups or kittens, as I said this is not the culture here, different country has different culture, we respect others, like we don eat cow infront of a buddhist etc., just hope that thoes foreign workers don do this here esp to owners' dog.{angry}{cry2}

Maneki Neko 05-25-2009 08:09 AM

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Dear Zai,

With all respect, I would only say that the difference is a cultural one.

We keep dogs and cats in our homes; many other cultures do not. They see cats and dogs as livestock, just as you see the other animals. The Hindus, after all, see cows as sacred animals -- perhaps they look at others eating beef as "barbaric" or "disgusting".

I agree with you when you say that slaughtering your cats would be like slaughtering your children -- I feel the same about my cat! But at the same time, I have a hard time saying that the Vietnamese (and others) are "heartless" or "disgusting" because their cultural norms are different from mine. And actually, from my point of view, cows, pigs, chicken, etc. are not food. I could no more slaughter and eat them than I could kill my cat. Yet I don't hurl insults at people who do eat meat. {victory}

Bottom line, I would also like to save our dogs and cats from the soup-pot. If killing them for food falls under the Malaysian law covering animal abuse, the woman who found this poor, bagged puppy could simply report the Vietnamese worker to the police, ya?

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Originally Posted by adamyala (Post 45007)
Yes Amanda,
there is a huge difference between slaughtering cows, goats, chicken, pigs and ducks for food and slaughtering cats and dogs for consumption. Dogs and cats are raised as pets in our homes. They are part of the family. To me, personally, its like slaughtering your own children. Cows, pigs, chicken etc; are food.


BerniceW 05-25-2009 08:14 AM

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Eventhough there is no Law here against killing our adorable pets here, as I said, this is not our culture, different country has different culture. we respect each other, like we don eat cow infront of buddhist etc., juz hope that thoes foreign workers don do this here esp. to owners pups / kittens.

Maneki Neko 05-25-2009 08:14 AM

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Agreed, Bernice. Someone may need to tell the Vietnamese that our culture is different here -- they may not be aware of it. If the puppy is (or looks like) a stray, they might just see it as fair game. {sick}

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerniceW (Post 45008)
Even there is no LAW agaisnt killing pups or kittens, as I said this is not the culture here, different country has different culture, we respect others, like we don eat cow infront of a buddhist etc., just hope that thoes foreign workers don do this here esp to owners' dog.{angry}{cry2}


FurKids 05-25-2009 09:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BerniceW (Post 44996)
Yesterday, While my fren was at her shop overseeing her shop renovation, she heard some whining sound from behind her shop and went to checked the trash bin at the rear door...............she was shocked to see a cute brown 5 - 6 months old mongrel pup in a gunny sack inside the covered trash bin, with only his head outside the sack, tied very tightly with a nylon string around his neck to prevent him from escape fr the sack.

The poor pup was looking at her with his pleading eyes, looked weak though but still kept struggling helplessly, she was then quickly asked for scissors to cut the strings and released the poor puppy, then asked the workers furiously, who did that to the poor pup?............ To the shock of her life, 1 of the Indon worker told her that it was some vietnamese workers here trying to EAT THE PUP and its very normal to them, coz, they eat dog at their country, it is their culture.

How can this happend here?? It is so disgusting!!!! So sickening!!!!{angry}

Beware of those vietnamese workers, keep dogs away from them.

BerniceW, where is the pup now? You mentioned that your friend released the pup ... did he/she just let it go around the area? Because if that is what he/she did, that pup's life is still in great danger (IF it is still alive and hasn't gone into another cooking pot!) because it will simply be caught again by some dog-eater! Where is the pup now? Is it really safe or just released from the frying pan into the fire?

Sashy 05-25-2009 09:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maneki Neko (Post 45006)
I've read comments like this for a long time and have stayed quiet, but this time I'm going to stick my neck out.

I do not eat dogs or cats, but for the same reasons that I don't eat cows, goats, sheep, chicken, pigs, etc. Are those of you who are outraged about this also vegetarian, or are you eating other slaughtered animals?

It is the culture in many places, such as Vietnam, to raise dogs for meat, just as Malaysians raise cattle or pigs. Pigs are judged to be more highly intelligent than dogs, and I personally find cows adorable. My point is, if you have no problem with raising other animals for slaughter, isn't it difficult to condemn people for raising dogs for the same purpose? Are the ethics of slaughtering a cow any different than the ethics of slaughtering a dog?

Now, in the interest of saving Malaysia's dogs, the question is, is there a law against killing dogs (and cats) for food? If so, the foreign workers can be formally charged with a crime. I'm not sure what the SPCA would be able to do to help... {sick}

Dear Maneki, the difference is those animals are raised for meat and slaughtered in a proper manner. Whereas the dogs which are being slaughtered for meat are slaughtered in a very crude and cruel manner (usually involving being beaten to death).

BerniceW 05-25-2009 09:20 AM

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My fren who rescured the pup was a Malay lady, she alrdy told the local contractor to educate his foreign worker, and she warned the viets: DON EAT DOG HERE!!!!! OR WE EAT YOU!!!!!!{grin}

Hope all employers out there educate their foreign workers to respect our culture here.

Please owners keep an eye on your pets, if you hv foreign workers nearby your area, you won want to know how they kill a pup for their meal.

BerniceW 05-25-2009 09:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FurKids (Post 45019)
BerniceW, where is the pup now? You mentioned that your friend released the pup ... did he/she just let it go around the area? Because if that is what he/she did, that pup's life is still in great danger (IF it is still alive and hasn't gone into another cooking pot!) because it will simply be caught again by some dog-eater! Where is the pup now? Is it really safe or just released from the frying pan into the fire?


she alrdy get a fren to adopt the pup, he is in safe hand now.

FurKids 05-25-2009 09:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sashy (Post 45022)
Dear Maneki, the difference is those animals are raised for meat and slaughtered in a proper manner. Whereas the dogs which are being slaughtered for meat are slaughtered in a very crude and cruel manner (usually involving being beaten to death).

The dog (mostly puppies because their meat is soft and tender) is hit very, very hard on the jaw with a big stick (so that jaw is completely broken off and gone - remember how Joy was beaten? she has no jaw now - and the animal cannot bite the attacker) ... and if that savage attack still doesn't kill the poor animal, it is given another brutal swing of the big stick on the head and the skull is broken! That is how the poor animal is "slaughtered" ..... and I think if you even try to talk sense into them that it is not our culture, etc. etc. I fear you might even be exposing yourself to a swing of that bloody big stick ... because if they can do that to a small cute innocent pup without a blink of the eye and sleep soundly at night, they will have no qualms doing it to a human being should the opportunity arises ...

FurKids 05-25-2009 09:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BerniceW (Post 45024)
she alrdy get a fren to adopt the pup, he is in safe hand now.

Thank God, BerniceW ... may God bless your kind friend ... and may that little pup bring your friend much joy and blessings ... {good}

BerniceW 05-25-2009 09:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FurKids (Post 45025)
The dog (mostly puppies because their meat is soft and tender) is hit very, very hard on the jaw with a big stick (so that jaw is completely broken off and gone - remember how Joy was beaten? she has no jaw now - and the animal cannot bite the attacker) ... and if that savage attack still doesn't kill the poor animal, it is given another brutal swing of the big stick on the head and the skull is broken! That is how the poor animal is "slaughtered" ..... and I think if you even try to talk sense into them that it is not our culture, etc. etc. I fear you might even be exposing yourself to a swing of that bloody big stick ... because if they can do that to a small cute innocent pup without a blink of the eye and sleep soundly at night, they will have no qualms doing it to a human being should the opportunity arises ...

Hi Furkids,

This is the part I am most terrified, exactly the same what I heard from friends.

BerniceW 05-25-2009 09:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FurKids (Post 45027)
Thank God, BerniceW ... may God bless your kind friend ... and may that little pup bring your friend much joy and blessings ... {good}

Yes, Furkids, She is a kind Muslim Lady, love cats & dogs, cant keep one but, help rehome / feed strays, she also pay the security guards around there to help watch the vietworkers to prevent them to do it again.{good}{happy}

vivi 05-25-2009 11:51 AM

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hi bernice,
lucky for the puppy.
yes it's really really hard to educate this kind people.
bernice, the place where i live still have people feast on dogs meat.
like i have mentioned before, i went to outstation for work bout a year ago, and i saw my next table are feasting dog meat.
my oh my
with beer and group of chinese young men and uncles
go there by yam seng and yam seng
it' very horrible u know.
i did ask what is that 'lauk' and the waitress answer me it's dog meat.
OH MY! what i say.
dog meat?!!!
then she quickly answer' oh that lauk brought by the customer himself. We only help him reheat it.
{sweat}{sick}{ohmygod}
imagine.
i ask the waitress where do they get the dog meat from. she say
it's either their own pet or they get it from the street.
so.....to open my voice to them, i'll definately get in trouble.
To report to the authority, hmm.....(2 kali 5).
{sweat}

BerniceW 05-25-2009 12:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vivi (Post 45045)
hi bernice,
lucky for the puppy.
yes it's really really hard to educate this kind people.
bernice, the place where i live still have people feast on dogs meat.
like i have mentioned before, i went to outstation for work bout a year ago, and i saw my next table are feasting dog meat.
my oh my
with beer and group of chinese young men and uncles
go there by yam seng and yam seng
it' very horrible u know.
i did ask what is that 'lauk' and the waitress answer me it's dog meat.
OH MY! what i say.
dog meat?!!!
then she quickly answer' oh that lauk brought by the customer himself. We only help him reheat it.
{sweat}{sick}{ohmygod}
imagine.
i ask the waitress where do they get the dog meat from. she say
it's either their own pet or they get it from the street.
so.....to open my voice to them, i'll definately get in trouble.
To report to the authority, hmm.....(2 kali 5).
{sweat}


Eating their Own Pet????
{angry} How on earth they do that??? Disgusting!!!! I beleive in Karma, what goes around trun around.

nivek 05-26-2009 12:15 AM

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I believe the Chinese used to breed the Chow Chow as food too last time.

adamyala 05-26-2009 07:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nivek (Post 45140)
I believe the Chinese used to breed the Chow Chow as food too last time.

OMG !!! NOT THE CHOW CHOW. AS A MUSLIM, I TRY TO REFRAIN MYSELF, BUT WOULD REALLY LOVE TO HUG A CHOW CHOW. THEY ARE SO ADORABLE. THEY LOOK LIKE A LIVING TEDDY BEAR . WONT DARE TO EVEN IMAGINE THEY ARE BEING SLAUGHTERED AND THROWN INTO THE SOUP BOWL
{cry}{cry}{angry}{angry}{cry2}

Sashy 05-26-2009 07:36 AM

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Ugh Vivi, bet you lost your apetite right there and then :(

blackie007 05-26-2009 01:44 PM

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I agree with what Maneki Neko said. It's a cultural difference. We were brought up to see cows, pigs, chickens and ducks as food, while the Vietnamese were brought up to see dogs as food.

Actually, not only the Vietnamese. The Koreans and Chinese from Qiling, too. I'm not sure about Chinese from other parts of China as I forgot to ask those from Qiling if it's the same practise elsewhere.

But this is what I personally heard from Korean and Chinese friends.

Dogs are just meat to Koreans. They eat stray dogs, and they don't make it a point to find out if a dog roaming the streets is their neighbour's pet or a stray. They just catch it, take it home, slaughter it and they have dog soup.

The same goes for people in Qiling, China. The honest & responsible ones would keep their own pets so they don't have to resort to killing strays or other's pets for soup. Yes, they are viewed as honest and responsible.

And, if anyone is interested, a pet, to them, does not have the same meaning to them as to Malaysians. A pet to them simply means an animal that you rear in your home instead of in a farm. So, yes, they do eat their pets.

My point is, and before anyone's dander is up, it's a matter of perception. I used to think anyone who eats dogs or cats are cruel until I had such discussions with them. They don't see it as cruel or inhumane, and my friends were actually surprised at why we see it that way. It is a cultural shock to them!!

So, it is our responsibility to keep our pets safe so they don't end up as someone's soup.

vivi 05-26-2009 02:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sashy (Post 45149)
Ugh Vivi, bet you lost your apetite right there and then :(

yeap.
luckily my dinner almost finish liao.
urgh~~~~{scared}{sweat}
if not i ask them pay for my dinner
hahahha
{ohmygod}
but then what i mean is, the trouble not only is for the korean guys.
even in malaysia, we chinese, oso still got people who consume dog meat.
we never notice it but when we visit the inner place like kampung kampung,
they almost have the same thinking as those korean guys.
haiz~~~~~~~~
even my mum's family, uncles used to consumed dog meats (heard from my grandma).
but luckily give up the habit liao.
haiz~~
if not ah susah.


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