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baru2 ini saya mengikuti program yg dianjurkan oleh Jabatan Perhilitan. Dalam taklimat yang diadakan ialah mengenai Akta perlindungan hidupan liar 2010(akta716). dalam akta tersebut ada dinyatakan bahawa kita tidak dibenarkan menjalankan aktiviti kacukan hidupan liar yg dilindungi dengan haiwan lain. dan kita tidak boleh memiliki anak hasil daripada kacukan tersebut...pastu diaorg tunjuk gambar anak2 kucing bengal yg mereka ambil daripada seorg pembiak dikawasan selangor.....saya tidak sempat nak bertanya lanjut mengenai isu tersebut...
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The thing is, Bengal tu bukan haiwan terancam. Sebanyakbanyak nya ada that breed. Orang siap biakkan. Kalau tak dibiak, tu yang jadi lagi spesis terancam sebenarnya.
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The Bengal is a relatively new hybrid breed of cat, formed by the cross of a domestic feline and an Asian Leopard Cat ("ALC"). memang lah bengal bukan haiwan terancam. tetapi ACL adalah haiwan terancanm. adalah menjadi kesalahan untuk memelihara ACL, mengacukkan ACL dengan kucing domestik dan memelihara anak2 hasil kacukan. itulah yg diberitahu oleh pegawai perhilitan tersebut dlm taklimat beliau. boleh didenda rm100,000.
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So true... ACL is an endangered species. I know in Sabah, any one who'll get caught will be fined and face imprisonment - 5 years.
It is by protected by law since ALC are going to be extinct in Borneo. Each state has different rules but there are organizations who are protecting this magnificent creature who prowls in the night.
I am an animal lover so I am against any exploiting of genes.
I would not be surprise after decades, there are strays of mutation from Bengals in the street due to overwhelm backyard breeding.
You people are just wiping out ALC which has an honor to us all, Malaysian which other country are dying to have - virgin WILDLIFE...touched only by Mother's nature.
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[QUOTE=Zarul;94262]The Bengal is a relatively new hybrid breed of cat, formed by the cross of a domestic feline and an Asian Leopard Cat ("ALC"). memang lah bengal bukan haiwan terancam. tetapi ACL adalah haiwan terancanm. adalah menjadi kesalahan untuk memelihara ACL, mengacukkan ACL dengan kucing domestik dan memelihara anak2 hasil kacukan. itulah yg diberitahu oleh pegawai perhilitan tersebut dlm taklimat beliau. boleh didenda rm100,000.[/QUOTE

salam..saya sangat bersetuju..saya sudah tanya perhilitan..
memang salah untuk kacukkan kucing hutan dengan domestic..
bengal adalah kucing kacukan kucing hutan dan kucing domestic TETAPI kucing hutan itu adalah kucing yang mendapat kebenaran oleh pihak perhilitan dan kebanyakan breeder bengal malaysia(yang diiktiraf) tidak memiliki kucing hutan malaysia. kebanyakan ALC adalah yang di import. ALC yg diimport juga bukan nya kucing liar..tetapi diternak..dan bukan dari terancam..
ALC malaysia atau pun kucing batu atau pun kucing hutan adalah species terancam. ini menyebabkan malaysia tidak membenarkan ia dibela..untuk menjage populasi mereka.
malahan kucing domestik yang dikacukkan dengan ALC adalah kucing domestik yg diiktiraf oleh tica..
saya cume berharap kucing batu kita dapat hidup dengan aman di hutan..
biarla mereka dengan kehidupan asal mereka..
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So true... ACL is an endangered species. I know in Sabah, any one who'll get caught will be fined and face imprisonment - 5 years.
It is by protected by law since ALC are going to be extinct in Borneo. Each state has different rules but there are organizations who are protecting this magnificent creature who prowls in the night.
I am an animal lover so I am against any exploiting of genes.
I would not be surprise after decades, there are strays of mutation from Bengals in the street due to overwhelm backyard breeding.
You people are just wiping out ALC which has an honor to us all, Malaysian which other country are dying to have - virgin WILDLIFE...touched only by Mother's nature.
Marcelleve, I am not a Bengal breeder. I'm an animal lover too. For me, there's nothing wrong to breed a new breed of cat, for the sake of preservation. It's like, what will happen if one day ALC extinct? The only choice we will have then is Bengal. Bengal, ALC, Egyptian Mau and other type of wildcats are so my passion. But we need to embrace the fact that day by day we're losing more of them and we all need to have some way to maintain our continuity and I believe the way to preserve the continuity of ALC is through breeding a new type of ALC. So, kindly respect others opinion. I'm an animal lover- just like u are. And like u think, for me backyard breeding is wrong. So, for Bengal breeders out there make sure u spay ur cat or neuter it before selling it for the sake of the bengal itself.
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True, I am against exploitation, means no legal permit or certificate. I'm not saying about the breeding of new cats are wrong. It is the exploitation of genes that is. My comments are only meant for irresponsible breeders.
And there are organizations who are really trying hard to keep up with ALC. ALC are not fierce as any wild cats. They just run away mostly. They are easily caught by people who needed money. Because attaining permit would cause a lot of queries / investigations from authorities.
I know, my mother brought me to a reservation and since she was a forest ranger. You should go and see Sabah, too. Then you know how hard the people are trying hard to save wildlife. It is hard work with limited income unlike domestic breeders. The heartaches and triumphs cannot be compared.
In my home, we had fostered orangutans before. I had seen different kinds of wild animals. I think growing up in a camp with wild animals is something else which some people can't understand.

Hey you say you like E. Mau too?... There is an organization that tries to save the cat from extinction to its origin country. Maybe you are interested to adopt one. I have E.Maus living in my in laws that were adapted few years ago.
There are spotted cats out there who needed home.

This is their link : http://www.emaurescue.org/adoption_EMROcats.php

I just find out from a certified Bengal breeder , they are mostly not coming from F1 or a local ALC parentage. They do not need ALC from anywhere in Malaysia because they import their Bengals outside and breed it here.
Because to have a good quality of Bengal should come from a good temperament and good health parentage.
Family history is important by a good responsible breeder and lover of Bengal cats.

Thank you.


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I believe in natural things surrounded us. Even how some people try hard to fight back and save what's left of it.

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Marcelleve, I am not a Bengal breeder. I'm an animal lover too. For me, there's nothing wrong to breed a new breed of cat, for the sake of preservation. It's like, what will happen if one day ALC extinct? The only choice we will have then is Bengal. Bengal, ALC, Egyptian Mau and other type of wildcats are so my passion. But we need to embrace the fact that day by day we're losing more of them and we all need to have some way to maintain our continuity and I believe the way to preserve the continuity of ALC is through breeding a new type of ALC. So, kindly respect others opinion. I'm an animal lover- just like u are. And like u think, for me backyard breeding is wrong. So, for Bengal breeders out there make sure u spay ur cat or neuter it before selling it for the sake of the bengal itself.
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Well said, Shah!


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The Bengal is a relatively new hybrid breed of cat, formed by the cross of a domestic feline and an Asian Leopard Cat ("ALC"). memang lah bengal bukan haiwan terancam. tetapi ACL adalah haiwan terancanm. adalah menjadi kesalahan untuk memelihara ACL, mengacukkan ACL dengan kucing domestik dan memelihara anak2 hasil kacukan. itulah yg diberitahu oleh pegawai perhilitan tersebut dlm taklimat beliau. boleh didenda rm100,000.[/QUOTE

salam..saya sangat bersetuju..saya sudah tanya perhilitan..
memang salah untuk kacukkan kucing hutan dengan domestic..
bengal adalah kucing kacukan kucing hutan dan kucing domestic TETAPI kucing hutan itu adalah kucing yang mendapat kebenaran oleh pihak perhilitan dan kebanyakan breeder bengal malaysia(yang diiktiraf) tidak memiliki kucing hutan malaysia. kebanyakan ALC adalah yang di import. ALC yg diimport juga bukan nya kucing liar..tetapi diternak..dan bukan dari terancam..
ALC malaysia atau pun kucing batu atau pun kucing hutan adalah species terancam. ini menyebabkan malaysia tidak membenarkan ia dibela..untuk menjage populasi mereka.
malahan kucing domestik yang dikacukkan dengan ALC adalah kucing domestik yg diiktiraf oleh tica..
saya cume berharap kucing batu kita dapat hidup dengan aman di hutan..
biarla mereka dengan kehidupan asal mereka..
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The Bengal is a relatively new hybrid breed of cat, formed by the cross of a domestic feline and an Asian Leopard Cat ("ALC"). memang lah bengal bukan haiwan terancam. tetapi ACL adalah haiwan terancanm. adalah menjadi kesalahan untuk memelihara ACL, mengacukkan ACL dengan kucing domestik dan memelihara anak2 hasil kacukan. itulah yg diberitahu oleh pegawai perhilitan tersebut dlm taklimat beliau. boleh didenda rm100,000.[/QUOTE

salam..saya sangat bersetuju..saya sudah tanya perhilitan..
memang salah untuk kacukkan kucing hutan dengan domestic..
bengal adalah kucing kacukan kucing hutan dan kucing domestic TETAPI kucing hutan itu adalah kucing yang mendapat kebenaran oleh pihak perhilitan dan kebanyakan breeder bengal malaysia(yang diiktiraf) tidak memiliki kucing hutan malaysia. kebanyakan ALC adalah yang di import. ALC yg diimport juga bukan nya kucing liar..tetapi diternak..dan bukan dari terancam..
ALC malaysia atau pun kucing batu atau pun kucing hutan adalah species terancam. ini menyebabkan malaysia tidak membenarkan ia dibela..untuk menjage populasi mereka.
malahan kucing domestik yang dikacukkan dengan ALC adalah kucing domestik yg diiktiraf oleh tica..
saya cume berharap kucing batu kita dapat hidup dengan aman di hutan..
biarla mereka dengan kehidupan asal mereka..
ooooo ok
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True, I am against exploitation, means no legal permit or certificate. I'm not saying about the breeding of new cats are wrong. It is the exploitation of genes that is. My comments are only meant for irresponsible breeders.
And there are organizations who are really trying hard to keep up with ALC. ALC are not fierce as any wild cats. They just run away mostly. They are easily caught by people who needed money. Because attaining permit would cause a lot of queries / investigations from authorities.
I know, my mother brought me to a reservation and since she was a forest ranger. You should go and see Sabah, too. Then you know how hard the people are trying hard to save wildlife. It is hard work with limited income unlike domestic breeders. The heartaches and triumphs cannot be compared.
In my home, we had fostered orangutans before. I had seen different kinds of wild animals. I think growing up in a camp with wild animals is something else which some people can't understand.

Hey you say you like E. Mau too?... There is an organization that tries to save the cat from extinction to its origin country. Maybe you are interested to adopt one. I have E.Maus living in my in laws that were adapted few years ago.
There are spotted cats out there who needed home.

This is their link : http://www.emaurescue.org/adoption_EMROcats.php

I just find out from a certified Bengal breeder , they are mostly not coming from F1 or a local ALC parentage. They do not need ALC from anywhere in Malaysia because they import their Bengals outside and breed it here.
Because to have a good quality of Bengal should come from a good temperament and good health parentage.
Family history is important by a good responsible breeder and lover of Bengal cats.

Thank you.


Best Regards,
Eve

P/s: I am so sorry if there are things that might offend you. I am just a proud Bornean who love animals because I grew up with them. I love nature. I don't like plastics and junks that can't be recycled.
I believe in natural things surrounded us. Even how some people try hard to fight back and save what's left of it.
I get ur point. I admit that I'm offended that u thought I was a breeder as I'm not. I'm just a cat lover. I dont breed cat for money. And fyi, I'm a nature lover too though I may not grew up in a green environment as u might did. Maybe due to that Ive always loved nature. I always hope that there are more reserved forests out there as I believe forest and cats are essential to each other. Ive joined the National Zoo for few times when they need major voluntary workers. As much as I love the Egyptian Mau, I wish I could do more to help them but I cant. Ive just started working for 3months now and I'm still learning how to handle my money and expenditures. If only there is Egyptian Mau to be adopted for free in Malaysia. . . Let's end this catfight () as I dont see the point of us fighting in telling who's right or wrong. U may be right in the plastic and junk breed as uve grown up in such environment and got the chance to embrace the pure breed, but u need to consider that I'm not as lucky as u are and if that plastic and junk breed is all I could get, I would accept it with an open heart as no matter how little genes of the pure breed might left, at least I have the chance to show my love to it.
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Hehehe ...no, actually my comment was in general, it didn't speak to one person just only my point of view that I shared...I mostly shared my opinion in general especially to those irresponsible backyard breeders out there. I didn't quote you in particular in the beginning so it doesn't mean you. I am so sorry if it offended you though.

The forum is open to public to share their opinions but nothing in personal unless of course you need help or ask any personal issues with your pets.

Anyway, I think the adoption is free only to those who wanted to have a pet E.Mau but I know got USD50 to pay for their escorts and it will take months before it arrive to you.



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I get ur point. I admit that I'm offended that u thought I was a breeder as I'm not. I'm just a cat lover. I dont breed cat for money. And fyi, I'm a nature lover too though I may not grew up in a green environment as u might did. Maybe due to that Ive always loved nature. I always hope that there are more reserved forests out there as I believe forest and cats are essential to each other. Ive joined the National Zoo for few times when they need major voluntary workers. As much as I love the Egyptian Mau, I wish I could do more to help them but I cant. Ive just started working for 3months now and I'm still learning how to handle my money and expenditures. If only there is Egyptian Mau to be adopted for free in Malaysia. . . Let's end this catfight () as I dont see the point of us fighting in telling who's right or wrong. U may be right in the plastic and junk breed as uve grown up in such environment and got the chance to embrace the pure breed, but u need to consider that I'm not as lucky as u are and if that plastic and junk breed is all I could get, I would accept it with an open heart as no matter how little genes of the pure breed might left, at least I have the chance to show my love to it.
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Hehehe ...no, actually my comment was in general, it didn't speak to one person just only my point of view that I shared...I mostly shared my opinion in general especially to those irresponsible backyard breeders out there. I didn't quote you in particular in the beginning so it doesn't mean you. I am so sorry if it offended you though.

The forum is open to public to share their opinions but nothing in personal unless of course you need help or ask any personal issues with your pets.

Anyway, I think the adoption is free only to those who wanted to have a pet E.Mau but I know got USD50 to pay for their escorts and it will take months before it arrive to you.
So I guess we're back on the good lane. As for the site, is it trustworthy? Because I'm scared if I am really to pay USD50 but I wont be getting the Mau.
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So I guess we're back on the good lane. As for the site, is it trustworthy? Because I'm scared if I am really to pay USD50 but I wont be getting the Mau.
Yes, EMRO is very known association and this is their Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=59040036444
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sorry not follow yur posts but if anyone want a good quality MAU with cheap price, one pet shop in bangsar have it.
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salam...tp ikut pengetahuan saya,yang foundation je dikire illegal dan perlukan permit...bengal dah kategori SBT ,kecuali F1-F4...tp mmg salah kalau hybridkan...so kalau kita mohon permit n import captive breed ALC xda masalah ye?
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