MCFA CAT SHOW 25 April? Think Again...
 

For those thinking of participating in the above shows... read the following corresponding email between me and the organiser...

Salam,
Im interested to participate. But before that, may i know how many categories and what categories will you have. I've been to the last show at Mydin, but quite dissapointed with the cramp space and less categories. Hopefully, this show will be better organised and bigger space.
Your prompt reply will be much appreciated.
Thanks.
Me.



Salam,

Thanks for your interest. For this show we will have 4 ring for Pedigree and 2 ring for HHP. Both will have 3 category which is: Kitten, Adult and Alter.

Sorry if the 1st show give you some disappointment. May I know what do you mean by less category?

This time we aspect to have 300 participant which will be 100 Pedigree and 200 HHP. The space at Sunway Pyramid is bigger compare to Mydin, so we will have enough space.

For Entry the charge for each cat will be RM30 for HHP(2 ring) and RM140 for Pedigree (4 ring). The closing date for register is 1 week before the show.

Hope that informative to you. Once again thank for your email, we will try our best to make the show more smoother and enjoyable.
Thank
MCFA

Thanks for the reply.
Ok, what i mean by less category is, like last time under HHP Adult, got 68 cats competing for 10 prizes. This is too many i think. And with the expectant increase number of HHP for this show, i assume it will be worse this time. I''ve been to MCC shows. Even they provided only 3 prizes for each category, but there is so many categories, and much fairer. Example, For HHP Adult, MCC have categories Adult Female Longhair, Adult Female Shorthair, Adult Male Longhair and Adult Male Shorthair. I hope MCFA will give a thinker on this. Should the categories remains, I'm sorry, i had to withdraw from participating.
Thanks.
Me.

Hi,

Sorry if you feel the category is less. As you know we are following TICA rules, so the prize is only 10-15% of the contestant.
So in order we want to have them judge, we need to follow their show rule.

As for MCC, there are under FiFe rules, so their show only based on "kalah mati" rules, without collecting any point. If you go to CFA Cats Show, their rules is almost the same as us (TICA). Our show is to find a better quality of cats breed and not only for fun show.

Sorry if you can't follow these rules, as this is the rules set by the International Standard. That the point for putting the International word there.

Anyway, thanks for your feedback. We will look at it.

Thank
MCFA

Hi...
Oooh it's ok then. I thought of showing only for the fun of it and enjoying the show. I guess, this is what 99% of HHP participant looking for since they will not be seriously collecting points. I've been to CFA show also and had enjoy showing my HHP there. Why? because they limit to only 20 HHP only, to ensure fairness and greater chance for all. For MCFA show and compete with 70 other cats in one category, for only 10 prizes, seems like madness to me. And at the last MCFA Show, out 20 rossetes and prizes for kitten, category, only 1 (one), won by shorthair. So, where is all the fairness and chances for those bringing HHP shorthair cats?
BTW, if you are talking about International, i wonder why MCFA accept HHP more than Pedigree? This is like MCC Fife Show but MCFA even worse, because you provided less categories. Fife compensated those showing HHP by providing more categories, to ensure everybody stand a greater chance and be happy and encourage participation. MCFA show here, if what you stated above, want more participations and collect more entry fees, but not about to give it back to those who supports your show, and to the extend of frustrating your participants. Your MCFA mission statement did say something to make your members happy and enjoy your shows... but this is totally different. I guess, this show is only to certain members who have the luxury of having pedigree cats but not to majority of members who had only HHP.
Anyway, thanks for the reply, and good luck for the show.
Me

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I read your post thrice, n i do not exactly understand what you are trying to say. For me at least your issue here is ambigious. I suggest you read TICA's guidelines as i believe FIFE and TICA's laid down different guidelines.

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personally i have nothing against HHP but for a so call TICA show for pedigree with HHP twice the entries, this really look wierd. It's probably also the 1st time tht a TICA show had the HHP outnumber the pedigree 200 to 100

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Hi thread starter, I also have read your statement. From the conversation I didn't see anything wrong with the answer they give you.

As stated that both club are under two different organization, 1 is FiFe and the other is TICA. So I think both have their own rules.

That is common in competition sometime you win sometime you lose. I think Mr Coony know better, but for them to let HHP enter the competition, I think its good because we can see the different between HHP and Pedigree cat.

That my opinion.{wink}

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I'm not questioning the rules of Fife or CFA or TICA. I'm questioning the logic of having more than 50 cats competing in one category. This is the extract from TICA regards to the above :

In the finals of an allbreed ring, the judge will select the top ten eligible cats (longhairs/shorthairs) based on 25 cats competing in the ring. If there are only 24 cats competing, the top nine are selected; 23 competing, eight are selected; 22 competing, seven are selected; 21 competing, six are selected; 20 or less, five are selected. Finals are awarded to Cats, Kittens, Alters, Household Pets, Household Pet Kittens, and NBCs.


So, you can see even TICA limit the entry to 25 Cats per category, just as CFA shows. Where as in Fife Show, even they accepted HHP entries more than Pedigree, they compensated that by having more categories in HHP. As stated by MCFA, this shows expected numbers of HHP entries will be 200 cats, so for each of three category the simple minimum cats competing number will be 65 - 67 cats!

This is not about winning or losing. It is about competing fairly, enjoying the shows and had a glimmer of hope some kucing kampong might win something.

That's my opinion..{victory}

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hhplover,
did you read properly TICA show rules? i believe you're swindling the TICA rules. read the below properly with your eyes open.

on clause 22.3.1: The maximum number of entries a club may accept is limited as follows:
22.3.1.1 Alternative Format - 125 entries. (See Show Rule 21.16.)
22.3.1.2 Back-to-Back Format - 250 entries. (See Show Rule 21.14.)
22.3.1.3 Split Format (2-day Show) - 500 entries. (See Show Rule 21.15 and Show Rule 216.4.)

on clause 216.3: A judge may not judge or handle more than 250 cats in 1 day
regardless of format, and no more than 500 cats in a 2-day show.

no such rules limiting the no. of entry.

so please do not condemning others show if you're not having a very good cat/kitten for entering their show.

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there is totally no category for HHP cats in CFA show..but, kucing kampong still win...{wink}

it's not about making more categories. CFA, TICA, FIFE and few other world big clubs have their own rules and regulations. even if u read more about the clubs, there are certain clubs that give title even to HHP cats.

In US, they have their own shows for HHP cats..in every country u know..so i think that, we can do that here too..organize our own show, then, make few categories, invite judges, invite people to join, then, the show begins..

BUT, it's not that easy..u will know how hard to organize a show...

so, up to u if u want to join the show or not..as for me, i'm not into TICA because all my cats are registered under CFA. so, i'll try to join CFA shows someday. Goodluck!

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DJSNAZ83,
great comment, you're totally right. it's not a day or two for organizing one day show. it takes few months!!

so, hhplover, up to u if u want to join the show or not. but do not instigate other else if you're not joining. we're joining the club for fun, not for fighting & instigating other else.

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All in all either it TICA or CFA or FiFe, its still a cat organization. Recently TICA has the largest no of Type of Breed register under them. Because CFA didn't go for wild cats such as Bengal.

So depend of the person which cats they prefer. Agreed with both DJSNAZ83 and ryutaro. Its not easy to conduct a show, but its easy for us to complain. {victory}

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Dear Ryutaro,
Im not comdemning, Im just highlighting my concern for those who are about to bring kucing kampong like me, competing with all those fluffy hair mix breed HHP. I guess you are one of the organising committee, doing all the hardwork and strictly following the rules, and not about to bend a little bit to make the show more entertaining and fun.
Yes, I've read the rules and 300 is more than 250 cats competing in a one day show. And I believe, it is fun for you to pay and collect entries for kucing kampong and compete with 60+ other mix breed fluffy HHP cats in the same category.

Good Luck for All!{victory}

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Hello, all you folks who regularly go to cat shows --

This is slightly off-topic, but I'm curious about something.

When judges rate pedigreed cats, they look at each animal and compare it to the "ideal" for that breed that their organisation specifies -- the coat should be this way, the eyes that way, the tail attached to the back end, etc. {wink}

But how do they judge HHPs (household pets?) What are they looking for? How can they assure me that my kucing kampong is better than yours? Are there in fact generic standards for judging non-pedigreed cats?

I ask this out of curiosity, not because I want to stir up trouble.

(Actually , I KNOW my kucing kampong is #1. She tells me so every day, very loudly.) {shy}

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Dear HHPLover,
Good to know that you're an HHP lover. Don't be disheartened by the above. Rules is rules because we live in a community governed by man made rules. If you think that your HHP is good enough for the show, why don't you give it a try. I know one veteran exhibitor (he is used to be active here), entered show with his kucing kampong and managed to win quite handsomely. HHP judged mostly by their uniqueness and if you find your HHP uniq, give it a go. For your info, this veteran exhibitor kucing kampong got 1st Place in Adult HHP Category in one of the rings in the last MCFA Show, competing with 67 other mix breed HHP cats. {wink} Check MCFA website.
It is up to you, or else just enjoy the show.{victory}
I believe your HHP is still the champion, just like mine... Haha..{victory}

From what i know, there is a standard judging for HHP but not so exclusively as pedigree. They mostly judged on their uniqueness and temperament, apart from cleanliness and health.
Yes, your HHP is #1, just like mine...haha..{happy}

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Thanks Antihyppo for the advise. May I know, who is this veteran exhibitor? I might bring my HPP to him for the prejudging..hehe, and to get his opinion on my HHP.
Yes... whatever the outcome, my HHP still the champion... just like yours..{happy}

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Thanks Antihyppo for your PM on the above contacts. I had spoken to him and manage to make an appointment. Its a pity he's not active here anymore. Thanks again.

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do you mean PakCu?

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Coony
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personally i have nothing against HHP but for a so call TICA show for pedigree with HHP twice the entries, this really look wierd. It's probably also the 1st time tht a TICA show had the HHP outnumber the pedigree 200 to 10

Hi Coony, funny to hear such comments from you who happen to be the so-called ex-treasurer for FSM (Feline Society Malaysia). As we all know FSM was banned by RoS (Registrar of Society) for not submitting annual reports of the club. So for someone like you who failed to keep your club alive, it is truly shameful to be busy with matters of other clubs. The abuse of powers by these so-called committee members of FSM like you have resulted in the banned of FSM club. And what is the impact to honest club-members? Now FSM is like a BEGGAR in Malaysia where you have to borrow license from other clubs such as Borneo Cat Club, Philipines Cat Lover Society etc as a requirement to organize a show. What truly shame for a "SO-CALLED" maine-coon breeder. We know you are a dishonest person and my advice is "mind your own business". I challenge you to keep this post here for all to see. I have screen captured this post & will post it somewhere else if it is deleted here. I challenge you!

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Yes, he is..{good}

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Yes. He is...{good}

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Chill down ryutaro and keep it cool {victory}

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ryutaro,

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Dear admin,
thank you for your kind reminder.

To answer the so-called maine coon breeder, I would like to inform that the reason why there is so many hhp entries is because MCFA consider opinion by members, and appreciate all members, be them pedigree owners or hhp owners. I was one of the ordinary club members who fought so much for "unlimited" participation by hhp owners. Where else can we enter such shows. CFA? MCC? As far as I am concerned, any club which can have a high number of participation is good. I am NOT THRILLED by threats by other so-called "cat clubs" which prohibits their members from joining cat shows conducted by other clubs,

So, unconstructive comments by a failed treasurer who are not interested in keeping a club alive but instead more interested in holding the trasurer post, is not considered as constructive. I'm sure MCFA committee members agree with what I say.

Thumbs up to the admins for being transparent by publishing this post. This should be continued for the best interest of all cat fanciers, regardless of clubs.

"Without fear or favor".

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Ryutaro,
I couldn't have said better. If my old club was active then I wouldn't have joined MCFA in the first place.

hhplover, for your info, previously MxC charged me RM80 for ONE RING show. and yet none of their winners got anything. Atleast for MCFA, they charge RM35 per RING for pedigree, hence RM140 per show for pedigrees, and only RM30 for non pedigrees. And winners are all given trophies to bring home.

Face the fact, MCFA have done great for first a show. No cat club have been brave enough to conduct a show within 3 months of establishment, and further more, a 2 ring international show! This second show they are conducting on April 25th is a 4-ring show! That means your cat will be judged 4 times, by 4 different international judges. How transparent can that be, compared to one-ring show by the same judge over and over again resulting in repetitive winning by THE SAME cat owned by "you-know-who". Why do you think people got sick and left the club in the first place?

And to send out memos to club members saying they will be booted out if they join shows by other club, I think it is too much. But all for the better because that was the "last" ingredient I needed to quit the club & joined MCFA.

In terms of quality, it is much better to be a champion of a cat show of 100 pedigrees rather than a show of 15 pedigrees. That was the reason they booted people out - so that people will not join their show hence kill of their competitors.

Having more judges to judge a show will mean more chance for your cat to win at least one ring. FYI, although there will be only 10 winners, it is actually 10 winners per ring for each category. (Adult / Kitten / Alter = 3 categories x 10 winners = 30 winners x 4 RINGS = Total 120 winners). So is your RM30 or RM140 worth it, to be judged by 4 International TICA judges?

I leave it to all sound mind to do the maths.

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Dear Mek Mok.
Corrected me if i'm wrong. From the email i received, MCFA clearly stated it is only 2 rings for HHP and this info only related to me by email. In the MCFA website, it says 4 ring? Please be reminded, should there be only 2 rings for HHP, MCFA can be sued by HHP owners for misleading them the info.

For your info, i've been to the last show and being there from start to finish, and I'm not showing any. Just being a curious spectators and hoping to participate in the next show. But to my horror, got 68 cats adult HHP competing, 48 HHP Kitten and 35 Alter. And to make it worse, in all of HHP category, I can see clearly a few maine coon and abbysynian competing. MCFA seems allowing all the pedigrees without cert to compete in HHP category, where else in MCC, those pedigree look a like cat will be advised to compete in Pedigree Novice category and wont be judged as HHP.

If you are championing for HHPs competing, do it in a fairly manner and just. Dont just encouraging HHP owners to compete, and later be mocked by spectators and side kicked by fluffy pedigree look a like or mix breed competitors.

Peace..{victory}

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hhplover,

Are you sure that all the HHP cat that win in last show is only fluffy cat. Didn't you say that you already contact the owner who have a "kampung cat" and won 1st price for HHP?

Actually the show for MCFA will be 4 ring show for pedigree and 2 ring show for HHP. Thats why the entry fee is RM140 for pedigree and RM30 for HHP.

All in all actually you get back what you paid for, because that give you the entry gift. So your money is going back to you.{victory}

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hhplover,
i knew all along that it's a 4-ring for pedigree & 2-ring for hhp. their committee informed me when i signed up and i think i also read in their website sometime ago.they told me that it is also because of number of cats allowed to be judged by 1 person in a day, like what ryutaro wrote. Not sure if you can sue MCFA but if you can please don't wait to inform all of us since I think some of the members also want to sue FSM for killing the club, thus lying to all FSM club members.

Anyway,if you have problems, I suggest you directly call their committee members as none of the MCFA committee members read petfinder. They say petfinder very bias to MCC. But i see some changes here where petfinder have started to allow posts like this. Kudos to the petfinder team!

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oh and for the record, the best cat in show was a short hair (bengal). Second in show was also a shorthair (oriental). Other short hair winners were siamese, Burmese, cornish rex, exotic short hair. only
So i think hhplover was either wrong or misleading or have been misleaded.
:)
the results & breed can be reade at http://www.mcfa.com.my/?lang=my&id=3...ntent=24&mnu=3

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Yup, with the exception of Pakcu's kampung cat (which I thought is really good, unique with excellent temperament), others are all longhairs. I wonder if Pakcu didn't bring his kampung cats for the shows...
Yup, thanks for the gifts.... that's all we hhp lovers are gonna get.
Yup, you correct Mek Mok, Best Cat in Show and the other 2 Top Five, are all pedigrees currently owned by the President of MCFA or previously owned by him. The other two, owned by MCFA committee members. None of the top five are HHPs.

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Hi hhplover,

Looks like you still don't understand. Even in other cats show by other club also you will never see HHP cat win the Grand price. This is because that the rule.

If you want your HHp cat to win the Grand price you need to make your own cat show which the contestant only the HHP cats.{grin}

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hhplover,
hehehe..what do you REALLY want actually?

Regarding the top 5 in show - yes it happened that some of the top 5 cats belong to the committee members. So what? There are another 18 MCFA committee members that did not win ANY categories. I don't hear them complaining.!? Even Astakatz which won no 2 best in show is not a committee member. So what? Look at the list of participation - 1/3 of the pedigrees came from his cattery. Of course the chance of some of the winners to be from his cattery is there. What are you complaining about??

Face the fact, no best-cat-in-show can ever be a HHP (sad story for my HHP too). It's the practice by all cat clubs, be it CFA, TICA or FiFe. If you want it to be your way, may I suggest why not we create a new cat club - HHP club of Malaysia? I'm sure petfinder wouldn't mind to post the ad here? And if your HHP cat club does not prohibit myself from joining other cat-shows organized by other clubs (unlike MxC), I will send my HHP to join your HHP Cat Club too. Fair? Then you can start to organize your own HHP cat show. Obviously sooner or later one of your committee members' cats will win the top 5. And I will be there to complain. Hehehe.. fair?

Another way to move forward is, like I said, complain to the committee members! Talk to them for improvement! Have some balls and confront them rather than chickening here where no MCFA committee members read. They might not even aware this thread exist!
:)

The more I think of it, I do not see what is your purpose of complaining here other than being "Mat Kacau" like in the Astro Ceria. Even you admitted - you did not send your cat for the previous show.! So send them for this show - then earn your rights to complain!

"cakap banyak, habuk tara.."

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Felis, is it true you last time bought a maine coon from Imakatz & later renamed it as your own cattery and publish it on your website but then later quickly deleted it?

That is what i hear lah. JUST ASKING. No need to get angry. If yes just say yes, if no, just say no.

Thank you.

(bila orang ngata dia, tau pulak marah. dia ngata orang takpe laa pulak...)

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Mek Mok..
You knew it all along, yet u you still maintained it is 4 rings show for HHP. Why don't MCFA say it loud or put a small note in the website to rectify this confusion. Or, is there's a hidden agenda which we don't know about?

Im not saying HHP is to be regarded as Best In Show. I know the rules. Just a true HHP being the Best HHP will be enough, not that pedigree look a like or persian with a flat face which strangely did not carry any cert.... and allowed to compete in HHP Category.
Yup Mek Mok,
I've decided to show two of my HHP to gauge how they stand alongside pedigree look a like HHPs... I hope i can enjoy the show.{shy}

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>Mek Mok..
>You knew it all along, yet u you still maintained it is 4 rings show for HHP. >Why don't MCFA say it loud or put a small note in the website to rectify >this confusion. Or, is there's a hidden agenda which we don't know about?

...Why don't you pull out your BALLS and ask MCFA yourself?

>Im not saying HHP is to be regarded as Best In Show. I know the rules. Just >a true HHP being the Best HHP will be enough,

...kan Pak Cu punya kucing menang aritu.. ko ni memang putar belit alam lah. apa lagi yang ko nak?

>Yup Mek Mok,
>I've decided to show two of my HHP to gauge how they stand alongside >pedigree look a like HHPs... I hope i can enjoy the show.

Pastu bila kucing ko yang tak lawa tu kalah you wanna make an issue pulak. Hahaha.. I nick name you Mat Kacau lah.. hehehehe... jumpa di sana ya...

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They dare not answer me.... Such a coward!
Looks like you yang putar belit... 1st about the HHP rings, now this.... Pakcu's cat got 1st in HHP adult 1 ring, Overall Best HHP was kitten pedigree persian look a like with flat face... huhu..
See... you haven't see my cats u already said tak lawa... pity to HHP..{angry} Ok, see you there...Mmbekk....mok.{shy}

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Hi hhplover,

They say that you have no ball because you only can said by post. Why not you meet with the them face to face like a man.

I think you not suit to enter competition, but suit to enter exhibition as you only want to win with what you have. Also you can't even understand the rule that has been set. All the winner are being choose by the judge.

Sorry hhplover aka Man Kacau.{muacks}

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Hehehe...Mat Kacau... Mat Kacau... Betul2 macam Astro Ceria. Lari sini, lari sana, tapi takde isu.. Aku tau ko saper. Kita sama2 dulu kat Kelab Kucing xxx kan... ko ni bukak pekong di dada betul laa... semua forummer dah nampak tipu helah orang-orang Kelab Kucing xxx nak buat kacau kat MCFA. Dah laa... kitorang keluar kelab korang pun sebab korang yang suruh.. korang issue memo cakap kalau join MCFA show, kita kena kick keluar..tak heran pun.. tu sebab kitorang keluar...memang fedup dengan Kelab Kucing xxx dah pun... dah laa tu...biar laa kitorang keluar...macam gila talak pulak korang ni... heheheh... korang stay je laa dengan Kelab korang, buat show banyak-banyak k? Nanti biar SEMUA forummer judge sendiri show siapa lagi best. hehehe...

BTW, ni ko hantar kucing ko p MCFA show ni, president tak marah ke.. Heheheh.. kalau ikut memo nanti ko pun kena kick keluar gak.. hahahaha...takpe, kalau kena kick keluar nanti ko join MCFA pulak k? hehehehe...

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